Talk:Brickwork

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[edit] English Bond

I'm only a student of architecture, but wouldn't 3/4 of the bricks in an English bond be visible (one brick thick, one face visible)? The article says 3/4 of the bricks aren't visible. Atchius 19:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Also we need to add stack bond. I don't know what it is. I'm using this article to study for a structures test. Atchius 19:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It actually says "If only one face of an English bond wall is exposed, three quarters of the bricks are not visible". It means that you only see one header or stretcher face of each brick - 1 of 4 sides hence 3/4 of each brick not visible in the wall. The same is true for any other bond I can think of, so not sure why it has been stated explicitly for English bond. SilentC 21:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
reply to you
stack bond is when the bricks arent in any pattern in all.
pretend the word "brick" is a brick:
brick brick brick brick brick
brick brick brick brick brick
and in between is the joints...
thats stack bond... NEVER MAKE A BUILDING WITH THIS.
purely for design
by the way, im 15 and i take masonry in high school
Haha, thanks for the pointer. It's unlikely that I would ever design a building that used bricks for structural purposes anyway. It's not done much anymore... but even brick veneer would look pretty silly with this layout. Don't forget to sign your comments with four tildes. Atchius 19:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion with other articles

this article and 'masonry' are also being confused in the other languages wikis. if you go through all the language links in all the different wikis, you get either 'masonry', 'mason', 'brickwork' or 'bricklayer'. none are consistent with 'mason' to 'mason', 'brickwork' to 'brickwork', etc. examples: english 'masonry' links to portuguese 'brickwork'. spanish 'bricklayer' links to german 'mason' which links back to spanish 'masonry'. english 'brickworks' links to dutch 'mason' and back to english 'masonry'. and links to dutch and french wikis are half for 'mason' half for 'masonry' for both. and dutch 'mason' links to 'stone masonry' wikis. if the exact equivalent article doesnt exist, i understand the divergance, but when they do, i dont understand. someone should take the inititive and relink all 'mason's to each other, 'brickwork's to each other, etc. for all wikis. im sure users of all other wikis wont read this, so someone from here should do so, cuz english wiki has the most language links. anyone can do it using some logic: romance languages links starting with 'mam' go to masonry, starting with 'alb/alv' go to the person bricklayer, ending with 'eria' is the discipline 'brickwork'. germanic language links starting with 'mas/mat' go to masonry, ending with 'er' is the worker, ending in 'n' is the discipline, starting with 'ste/sto' go to stonemasonry. i prefer experts to do the languages they're sure of, but i'll do it if no one else does it soon. i've put the same comment in wikiproject architecture's "construction forum" and 'masonry's discussion, to alert users of those articles to move in the same direction.Ivansevil 03:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

What's stopping you then? SilentC 04:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Header bond (also known as Spanish bond)

Can someone explain better what is the difference between Header bond and Stretcher bond? The pictures look structurally (although not dimensionally) identical. How can rows be "offset an entire brick"? Quirkie 22:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Stretcher bond consists of bricks laid with the long side facing out (called stretcher). Header bond consists of bricks laid with end facing out (called header). So the difference between the two is the orientation of the brick within the bond, with header being at 90 degrees to stretcher. I don't think the photo is the best example of it because, if the bricks are headers, they must be very fat bricks. I changed the "offset entire brick" to "offset half a brick" because I believe that is the intention. SilentC 23:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Quirkie 18:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I have now changed to a picture with header bond (left part of the detail in the photo) where you also can see some stretchers to compare with. –Xauxa (talk) 00:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Bond (masonry)" article

2 out of 3 sections in this talk page are about bonds (now 3 out of 4 with this). that could be cuz 1/2 of this article is about the different types of bonds. even the intro talks too much about types of bonds. the french and spanish wikis have separate articles for 'bonds' themselves. i propose we do the same for english wiki, and restore the old bond (masonry) article (undoing what was talked about in "masonry"s talk page. after all, cant bonds be used for materials other than just "brick" (although its the most common in modern construction)? Ivansevil 22:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

We come from the same point: mozarabic art. Brick vs. ashlar (masonry?) bonds. How can we talk about bonds in old or medieval architecture (no bricks)? I was looking for an answer. Thanks for ya work, Ivansevil. --Owdki talk 20:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Structural Brickwork

This article seems to touch somewhat lightly on brick as an structural construction technique (just that it has tensile issues and that it's rarely used today). The timber framing articles discuss actual height limitations and construction considerations/techniques, etc. I was wondering if someone knowledgable on the subject could do something similar here - even though it's historical in purpose. I live in a 100 year old brick factory converted into condos, and I'd be curious to know more about that construction design. The building is 6 stories of structural brick, which seems like a lot - but what's the maximum? The walls clearly are load-bearing, as the floor beams connect right into them, with iron supports between the beams at joints. It also seems like the brick between windows is much thicker than that above and under windows (sensible...) but I'd like to know more.

Thanks, CSZero (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

PS: Would this picture be of value to this article? http://home.comcast.net/~corey.sciuto/images/lowell14/canalplace.jpg CSZero (talk) 18:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)