Talk:BRIT Awards

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Should someone move the list of winners to a new article, "List of Brit Awards winners", for example? Cal T 12:56, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Under 1994, the "Connected" link is incorrect. I don't know what it should point to.

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[edit] 1977

Outstanding Contribution - L.G. Wood and The Beatles (Joint Winners)

Who on earth is L.G. Wood? And, more to the point, if s/he is notable enough to have shared a "best of the last 25-years" Brit with The Beatles, there has to be an article on this person we can link to? --kingboyk 10:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Leonard George Wood CBE was managing director of EMI records from 1959 to 1980 (joining the company in 1929), so presumably got the award for signing influential artists like the Beatles, Sex Pistols etc. I can only find info on him here [1] though, not nearly enough for an article! --- Richard CHSTalk 10:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classical attributions

In 1989 Handel himself won the award, or did some orchestra/conductor win the award? Someone with ample time to spare needs to go through these and correct the winners. I'm sure Vaughan Williams' estate would love to get their hands on that '88 award. Qermaq 06:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 8/12/06 edit

Ive added the hosts and venues of most of the events. If anyone knows the ones I missed out then please add it. Also does anyone think this article could be split into 2 pages - a summary page and a new page with a more in depth outline of each specific Brits event? BTW this s a good place to get info: http://brits.co.uk/shows/2006/ Tremello22 16:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1989

This bit isn't right:

Sam Fox: (with a fixed beaming smile) …and the winner is...
Celebrity (Radio 1 DJ Gary Davies} presenting the award: (looking panicked) aren’t you going to read out the nominations first?
Sam Fox: (with a determined look) …here they are … the FOUR TOPS...
Boy George appears from backstage looking self-conscious.
Boy George: (with an apologetic smile) I’m afraid I’m just the one top...

The Four Tops were meant to be presenting the award, not receiving it (they didn't win any awards that year). The bit with Garry Davies did happen as well, from memory, but I believe they were two separate incidents which the original editor has confused/merged together..... ChrisTheDude 14:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brit versus BRIT

I work on The BRIT Awards, creating the website and a lot of the print work. My company's website is here for reference. The "official" way to refer to the show, as set out in the brand guidelines is "The BRIT Awards (year)" with BRIT in all caps, denoting that it's an acronym for The British Record Industry Trust.

BRIT has stood for The British Record Industry Trust since its inception in 1989. The Brit spelling has originated from the misconception that BRIT is a truncation of the word British. BRIT means British as much as CAMRA (n.b. all caps) means camera.

Should I (or perhaps someone who better knows the workings of Wikipedia) do a find and replace!? :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.49.188.179 (talk) 10:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

I have moved the page to BRIT Awards as per above and am currently working on correcting redirecting the links. Can someone else go through the article and change Brit to BRIT where applicable. I have done a couple. Timclare (talk) (sign here) 12:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Venues and Dates?

What was the venue of the 1989 awards? What were the exact dates of the events? Drutt 16:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Jackson - Earthsong

I edited some information yesterday that was removed. I didn't add the info, but it indicated that Earthsong was Michael Jackson's most successful song in the UK (which it was) and that HIStory went on to become the best selling double disc album of all time, which is also true. This was removed by an edit today, but I'm going to restore this unless an explanation is given that explains this. These events are credited (both by Epic - Jackson's then record company - and BRIT) as being catalysts to the album and singles respective successes. --lincalinca 01:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BPI / Britannia Awards

I think a bigger deal should be made about the previous names of the awards, because as it is, anyone casually looking for info on a BPI award from the early 80s would either have to be resigned to confusion or read the whole article, which doesn't really help that much either. Here are my suggestions:-

  1. Put the text formerly known as the Britannia Awards and the BPI Awards in the lead section, so that anyone looking for either of them will know straight away that they've got the right page.
  2. Make more of a mention of the different names in the overview section. At the moment the only allusion to the BPIs is "The last BPI Awards show took place at the Albert Hall..." without saying when, and without any mention that they existed previously.
  3. In the actual list of awards section, separate it into sub sections - The BPI Awards (1977-1988), The Britannia Awards (1989-????) and the BRITs (????-present) - so that readers are clear that (insert artist) didn't get a BRIT in (insert date) when they got actually a BPI Award. I don't know when they officially became the BRITs, despite reading the article. Maybe that should be made clearer, too.
  4. On an unrelated note, how is BRIT a backronym? Each letter stands for a word in British Record Industry Tust, which makes it a standard acronym, surely?
MightyMoose22 07:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
It's a mess, really. Tinkering with bits won't help it, it needs a thorough re-write from scratch. At the moment, my favourite sentence is (in relation to the Mick Fleetwood / Sam Fox incident), "After this the show was recorded, and broadcast the following night, part of a revamp by Jonathan King for 1990 whose actions also included naming them the BRITs, hosting the show in 1987 - the most successful previous show - and releasing a megamix of British dance acts including S'Express and A Guy Called Gerald called BRITs 1990". You can't edit something like that into shape, it has to be bulldozed into the earth to make way for new growth. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split Awards section

The awards section is already dwarfing the rest of the article and is getting bigger each year. As such it really needs to be split into another article. I suggest the title List of BRIT Awards ceremonies for uniformity with articles about similar subjects, such as the Academy Awards, which has its ceremonies on a separate page titled List of Academy Awards ceremonies. If agreed to, I will be happy to carry out this task myself. ~~ Peteb16 (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Incidents Section

This seems for too large, it dominates the page more than the awards. i suggust shrinking it or forking it to a seperate article? --neonwhite user page talk 00:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree -- it's also filled with POV material and doesn't have sources for the more contentious bits or any of the quotes. Some of the incidents aren't really noteworthy for creating controversy (e.g. the Union Jack dress) and others don't count as a single incident (e.g. Fleetwood/Fox -- this would be better covered in this history section). I'll have a crack at it later. Gusworld (talk) 08:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Do you prefer a seperate page? --neonwhite user page talk 14:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Depends on how substantive the separate section turns out to be after editing. The article itself isn't overlong (though it's definitely unbalanced by the size of incidents at the moment); best bet might be to edit it and then decide if it justifies having a larger separate entry after that. The danger of a separate article is that people will go wild adding "incidents" without justification, although that's happened here too (see Osborne, Brand).
On a related note, I also feel that mild controversy over a single comment by the hosts doesn't qualify as an 'incident' in the same way that (say) the KLF or Jackson events do -- especially since the two ceremonies in question have separate articles, where any documented "controversy" could be included. Gusworld (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, however if they have been sourced as causing much controversy, as is the case with Russell Brand then i think they are ok to stay. The Belle & Sebastian beat Steps to Best Newcomer Award being called an incident is just bizarre --neonwhite user page talk 03:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
No disagreement from me on either of those points (despite my earlier comment about Brand, you're right, the number of complaints makes that noteworthy). I'm going to try for a rewrite this afternoon. Gusworld (talk) 05:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)