Talk:Breech-loading weapon

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[edit] Eventually "Breech (firearms)" should have its own entry instead of redirecting to here

But not tonight! Lumbercutter 03:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patent

The article mentions an 1811 patent on a breech-loading gun. This patent number really should be found and linked to. I searched for a while, but the earliest I could find was US17,382 (PDF version) (1857-05-26) Edward Lindner Improvement in Fire-Arms. , so if the 1811 patent exists, its patent number would be below that. --Interiot 19:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Google Patent Search was just released (yay!), which allows searching of US patents all the way back to the beginning of the USPTO, but I still can't find the 1811 patent. US Patent #203 (!!!) issued in 1837 to a different person does have diagrams of a breech-loading weapon. I'm unable find any patent before that that matches "gun OR weapon OR sidearm". Similarly searches for the alleged inventors Hall and Thornton returns nothing that early. One might think the reference is to an 1811 patent in another country, though the individuals referenced both lived in the US for most of their lives. Is the 1811 reference really accurate? --Interiot 05:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the following bit from the article as it appears from the above two posts to be likely untrue. It shouldn't be left in there unless someone can prove it... Miremare 01:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The first successful breech-loader, or at least the first patented one, and the first one adopted for use as a military service arm, was patented by John H. Hall and William Thornton in 1811. [dubious — see talk page] The design went on trials by the US Department of War (as it was then called) during the 1810s, which lead to its adoption and production during the 1820s. It was among the first firearms to have interchangeable parts as well. The key was finely-crafted components which kept gas leaks to a minimum. Hall types were originally flintlock, but later types were made with caplock. The Hall types worked fairly well, but were expensive, so muzzle-loaders remained common. In all, over 20,000 were made.

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I was under the impression that articles must be printable, i.e., they should not contain any animations. If this is the case, the animation on this page should be turned into a series of images. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andreas Toth (talk • contribs) 01:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Articles can contain animations; in fact, many articles benifit from animations becuase they do a better job of explaining in images the point an article or section is trying to convey. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)