Talk:Breakup of Yugoslavia

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[edit] essay

Egad, another essay... salvageable? --Joy [shallot] 1 July 2005 01:47 (UTC)

I guess we just had to salvage it. :) --Joy [shallot] 17:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo polje

Here, Milošević spoke not only of history and nationalism, but "greater Serbia," and the persecution suffered by Serbs in the Croatian and Bosnian territory.

False. (Of course, it would be easy to provide a citation and prove me wrong.) If you go after Milosevic, at least do it correctly, without confabulations. It should not be that hard. GregorB 20:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modern State

Bosnia never was an independent, modern state until breaking away from Yugoslavia. In response to Alkalad's question here, the kingdom of Bosnia was not a modern state. Also changing statistics without providing a source is vandalism, so I have reverted. —KingIvan 07:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Again to Alkalada, a kingdom from hundreds of years ago, is not a modern state. Also you have not supported the changing of those statistics with a reliable source, or any source for that matter. You must state (and if possible, provide a link to) where you have gotten those numbers from beofe making that change. —KingIvan 06:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

If bosnia werent a modern state then Croatia and Slovenia werent it neither.

Anyways, evidence of Bosnia beeing a independent state. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107349.html

We were independent in 260 years, while Croatia for example were occupied during that 260 years. Alkalada 18:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The link you provided speaks nothing of Bosnia being an independent modern state until 1992, so it proves nothing. And you won't find any source claiming it, simply because it never has been an independent modern state. —KingIvan 08:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeas it was, have you ever heard about king Tvrtko? King of the Kingdom of Bosnia? Alkalada 11:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes I've fucking heard of them you stupid idiot, but that is not a modern state! When saying modern state, people are reffering to states from the 19th century forward. —KingIvan 11:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, I will report you for personal attacks.

Btw... if Bosnia never been a modern state, then Croatia wasnt it neither. Alkalada 11:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats! I sure love it when good, upstanding, unbiased, completely rational editors like yourself congratulate others! Keep up the great work!

Btw...irrelevant. —KingIvan 11:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge tag

There's a lot of overlap with Yugoslav wars article; I'm not sure how to proceed: see Talk:Yugoslav wars#Merge tag. Duja► 15:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

  • support merge. Chris 04:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

A decision has already been made on the War in Yugoslavia page to keep both. The Yugoslav War entry will focus on the military events of the conflict, while the Breakup of Yugoslavia article will deal with the socio-economic issues. I will remove the tag.

[edit] Edits by 77.46.243.41

I removed most of the edits by 77.46.243.41 on the grounds that at the least, they are out of scope for the section Structural Problems. While the copy may be good and of interest, detailed information about the industrial importance of one province of one republic is probably beyond the reach of this article. I believe this article serves best to give users a "wild sense" of the circumstances regarding the breakup, and more detailed aspects of the breakup (such as Kosovo's economic value) should be reserved for the more specific articles. The point of this is to not duplicate information,especially since this article is already under consideration for merging with another. I realize that many of the Kosovo articles are locked but I don't think that's reason to bring information belonging to those pages elsewhere. I think it's best to reserve these edits beause some portions may be a good addition to the Kosovo war articles, and add them where appropriate once those dispute(s) are resolved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matches10 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ethnic cleansing

I removed the section about how Albanians were ethnically cleansing Serbs from the Kosovo. The only source provided for this statement is The Migration of Serbs and Montenegrins from Kosovo and Metohija [1] by the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts. I don't see how this could possibly be a reliable source. If there is another source that asserts this information, fine; perhaps we could remove references to ethnic cleansing instead. But I don't think we should write anything with SANU as the single source, as they have a well-deserved reputation for a lack of objectivity. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 14:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how could this possibly not be a reliable source. Your claim that SANU has "a well-deserved reputation for a lack of objectivity" is completely devoid of any connection with reality. Nikola (talk) 20:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm referring mostly to this. I know we're not talking about the same document, but it seems like the content isn't too different. Since this discussion page seems mostly dead and I don't think we can agree on this issue, would you agree to get a third opinion? // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 21:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I never had that work :( This particular study was reviewed by a Western researcher, Audrey Helfant Budding[2], in her expert report given to the ICTY[3] and she found that:
Yet it is one-sided to ignore economic factors in discussing Slavic emigration from Kosovo, it is also inaccurate to present them as the only reason for emigration. In 1985-86, the Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences conducted a survey [the one we are talking about] [...] This study must be treated with some caution [...] Nevertheless, a review of the SANU survey and a consideration of other more anecdotal evidence suggests that inter-ethnic tensions - and in some cases acts of intimidation or violence - played a role in many emigration decisions.231
I hope that this makes use of the study as a reference acceptable. Nikola (talk) 22:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)