Talk:Brassiere measurements

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For the sake of illustration, and in the name of knowledge, could someone add pictures of sizes DD+? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.95.116.97 (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

This page only shows the measurement in imperial system. Can anyone please put in the measurement in metric system, so that the metric fans understand better? Thanks! ;-)--Edmundkh 17:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that the metric measurements should be put instead (or with) of the imperial, metric is wider in use than imperial.

Are you sure you're supposed to take the diffirence between bust and band size, not bust and frame size?

The beginning instructions and first table say it is in between bust and band sizes, but the table at the bottom of the page in metrics says it's the diffirence between bust and frame size.

I believe that it's the second, but I'm not sure. Please help.

67.170.110.122 01:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

In the EN 13402 Cup A is 12-14 cm difference. This is 4.7-5.5 inches. In the US table 5 inches is Cup DD. Both methods appear to be using the difference between bust and underbust girth. Can someone clearly explain the differences in measuring? 88.70.240.105 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The method used to measure for bras in this article is called unreliable in the article Brassiere under the section measurement systems. It may be better to talk about and show examples of how a proper fitting bra looks, rather than give a formula that does not work for every given case. I'd like the table include more cup sizes (to a K or L) so people can have more of a concept of the range of sizes. It might also be good to show multiple cup sizing systems next to each other in the table so people can see that one brand's DDDDD may equal another's GG or H. Nuku7nuku 23:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 A fitting method using cup size and bust size 2 Correlation between cup size and breast size 3 Unnecessary Obfuscation 4 A Cup = 1 Inch Difference? 5 Japanese tiny titties bra sizes 6 What's so special about "D" 7 Celebrity bust sizes? Seriously? 8 Height

[edit] A fitting method using cup size and bust size

My fiancée is currently designing a dress. Here are some of the things she learned, at least for American bra sizing:

1) American bra sizes have two measurements:

1a) The "band size" (such as 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, et cetera)

1b) The "cup size" (such as AA, A, B, C, D, E, et cetera)

2) In theory, the "band size" is as described in the article: the chest circumference, as measured beneath the breasts, plus an offset of 3" to 6". In practice, many bras only have secure sizes around the chest at the bustline and/or above the breasts, not beneath the breasts. This means that the "band size" is actually a number that should be fudged to make the rest of the fit come out right.

3) The "cup size" actually measures the radius of the underside of the breast. This dimension determines the shape of the underwire (or other material that lies on the front of the bra immediately beneath the breast). The "cup size" is important -- if it is too small (for the woman), the ends of the underwire will poke the sides of the breasts. Note that the "cup size" does not directly measure the breast volume.

4) The sum of the "band size" and the "cup size" is a useful estimate. As shown at BiggerBras.com, adding one inch per letter of the "cup size" to the "band size" gives an estimate of the "bust size". The "bust size" is the circumference of the chest, as measured at the most prominent part of the bosom. For example, 36C corresponds to 36" + 3" = 39"; 34E corresponds to 34" + 5" = 39". Because these two sizes share the same estimated "bust size" (39"), they are "sister sizes", as described in the article.

5) Here is how she was able to find a bra that fit well:

5a) She measured her "bust size".

5b) She considered bras where the sum of the "band size" and the "cup size" was within 1" of her "bust size".

5c) She found a bra with the correct "cup size" -- it followed the undercurve of her breast, but did not dig in. This method of measuring gave a larger "cup size" than she had expected.

5d) She subtracted the "cup size" from her "bust size", to give the "band size".

5e) She chose a bra with somewhat less cup material (on the fullness of her breast) than other bras with the same nominal size. This made up for the fact that her "cup size" was larger than she had expected.

5f) She tried on bras with similar sizes (to make sure she had the optimum size), but bought the bra she chose in step 5e.

Sources:

For statements 1 and 4: BiggerBras.com's Bra Size Grid

For statements 2, 3, and 5: Observation of bra construction at Seattle-area bra retailers, such as Macy's, Target, and DecentExposures.com. (It would be nice to upgrade this citation to a published source, so as to adhere to Wikipedia's policy prohibiting original research.)

-- Jasper 17:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Correlation between cup size and breast size

Dressmakers have found two correlations between cup size and breast size.

The first correlation is in the widths of material needed to cover the bust. This correlation has already been discussed: The "frame size" (of the woman, not the bra) plus an offset plus the "cup size" (of the bra) tends to be close to the "bust size" (of the woman).

The seoond correlation is in the heights of material needed to cover the breasts. The "yoke line" is a horizontal line along the body, "just above where the major swell of the bosom begins." The "yoke line" is typically about 2" - 3" below the collarbone. The "waist line" is the not-necessarily horizontal line of the person's waistband. Dressmakers sometimes measure three distances: along the front centerline of the body from the "yoke line" to the "waist line", over the most prominent part of the breast, from the "yoke line" to the "waist line", and along the side of the breast (beneath where the collarbone joins the shoulder) from the "yoke line" to the "waist line". Virginia DeMarce states that the first and third measurements tend to be about equal, and the second measurement to be greater by "about one inch per each cup size beyond an A. That is, for a woman who wears a C cup, the distance from yoke line to waist over the bosom is going to be about two inches longer than that from yoke line to waist at center front."

Sources:

For the first correlation: BiggerBras.com's Bra Size Grid

For both correlations: Fitting of Clothes FAQ. Virginia DeMarce, Pam Poggiani, Jessica Schlenker, and others. Originally posted on the Dixon's Vixen conference of Baen's Bar; archived at http://homepage.mac.com/msb/163x/faqs/fitting.html Copyright 2002. The description of the second correlation is based on Virginia DeMarce's e-mail dated March 16, 2002 06:46 PM.

-- Jasper 17:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary Obfuscation

Is it really necessary to use the word "majuscules" up top, instead of the more understandable "capital letters"? Readers shouldn't have to click through the definitions of uncommon words to understand the basics.

[edit] A Cup = 1 Inch Difference?

Right now the chart claims an A cup is a two inch difference, but everywhere I remember reading about this subject is that it's supposed to be one inch. Older revisions of this page have charts that start from there, is this a typo? -- 15:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese tiny titties bra sizes

Has someone got an accurate comparison of Japanese/rest of the world bra sizes?

I know that a Japanese C cup, is equivalent to a normal A or B etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sennen goroshi (talk • contribs) 15:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's so special about "D"

Can someone explain why "D" is doubled-up and trippled-up? As in A, B, C, D, DD, DDD, E etc. Why D? 82.152.159.30 23:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrity bust sizes? Seriously?

Seriously. What? Does anyone have sources for these sizes, even? Not to mention this is pretty WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:TRIVIA... I think this section should be removed as soon as possible. It's not very notable. CherryFlavoredAntacid (talk) 16:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, this section isn't alphabetized correctly. Traditionally, you alphabetize based on the last name, not the first. CherryFlavoredAntacid (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright. I was reading around, and I do believe the entire section violates WP:BLP. "Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles" So there you have it. The information is still in the history page, but I highly recommend against bringing it back. CherryFlavoredAntacid (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Height

Is there any difference in cup sizes when it comes to height? Like, do a woman who is 4'6 with 36-inch breasts and a woman 6'8 with 36 inch breasts have the same cup size if there measurements are the same? BioYu-Gi! (talk) 20:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)