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Several websites say the hat was designed in 1850 for William Coke II, later Earl of Leicester, however. No man called William Coke II became Earl of Leicester, furthermore - Thomas William Coke, 2nd Earl of Leicester, became Earl of Leicester in 1842, so he is too early his sone Thomas William Coke, 3rd Earl of Leicester was only born in 1848 so he is too late. I presume that these sites are incorrect and that the man in question was either related to the Earls or was infact completely unrelated. Mintguy (T)
Thomas William Coke, 2nd Earl of Leicester, was William Coke II. He was born in 1822 and took over his father's position when he died in 1842. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Coke,_2nd_Earl_of_Leicester_of_Holkham
References to Lock's hatters, which still calls them "Cokes", seem simply to call the gentleman they are named for "Sir William Coke". I think you're right that he's not one of the Earls. Possibly even the "Sir" is an exaggeration! -- Nunh-huh 23:34, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Should we place a banner asking for sources or further research? This sounds like an important thing to correct! Canonblack 22:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Current fashion at Preston North End football club (England) is to wear bowler hats at matches. See PNE Online for more information and pictures. WiW ;)
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[edit] Was there iron in the "iron hat"?
The nickname "iron hat" and the original use to protect gamekeepers' heads implies that it was originally designed as a sort of helmet. Was it ever constructed of something other than hard felt? I think this should be made clearer. I read "iron hat" and "protect gamekeepers' heads" and I immediately think of John Steed's steel-crowned bowler! Canonblack 22:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
The iron hat was introduced in 1851 at the Great Exibition. It was designed to protect the head in the city from falling objects, as well as to protect the head from falling objects in factories.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.41.104 (talk • contribs)
Well, it's the shape of the crown that gives it its 'iron strength.' The ovoid/spherical shape is also why an (unbroken) eggshell is so strong too. Further, the gap between the top of the crown and the wearer's actual head means that if a falling object does dent the hat, it may well stop before it actually injures the wearer. Really it's a pretty decent idea - the precursor to the hard hat! ^_^ 142.162.56.157 12:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel that this is no longer a stub?
[edit] Mussolini?
I've never seen a photo of Mussolini wearing a bowler. Even if he did I think he's more famous for this hat.
[edit] Modern popularity
The bowler has seemed to return....billabong has a bowler design and one of the members of Panic! At the Disco wears one. Perhaps a section on this?
Bizznot 03:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Marilyn Manson also wears them, Perhaps he should be added to the list of famous people. 4.244.42.68 (talk) 00:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lou Costello
Someone should add him to the list of famous people in bowlers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.195.209.55 (talk) 00:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bowler =/= Derby
The Bowler and the Derby are not recognized to be the same hat. I suppose someone could argue that the Bowler is a type of Derby hat, but the Bowler has a distinctly higher crown, almost distended compared to the classic Derby.. I doubt that there really needs to be 2 entries, but it should be cleaned up a little bit instead of implying they are the same thing.
Utopienne 03:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cricket?
This particular little piece of information has a vague whiff of urban myth. I would very much like to know where the information came from.
