Talk:Bouzouki

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The picture of the tetrachordo is not very good. Would some tetrachordo owner please change it to a picture of your bouzouki? We have the picture of mine for the trichordo, after all. The Real Walrus 02:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 First appearance of the bouzouki 2 Markup confusion 3 Bouzouki 4 Bouzoukia 5 Angelos Charisteas 6 Greek bouzouki and other versions 7 Infobox 8 OK

[edit] First appearance of the bouzouki

You said bouzoukis have not been around in Greece all that long, this is a mistake. All music analysts who are familiar with Greek music know that bouzouki is is an evolution of the ancient Greek similar instrument called "Pandoura" or "Pandouris" (appeared about the 3rd century BC) This instrument was used even at the Byzantine age with the same name, this is where the Turkish instruments Tanbur an Saz came from. As you correctly mentioned the name bouzouki comes from the Turkish language, but the instrument is ancient Greek - the tzouras is the closest instrument to it - a tzouras or a trichordo bouzouki has not really many differences from the ancient and Byzantine pandoura.

The Greek speakers can have a look at this page: http://img.pathfinder.gr/clubs/files/34662/1.html http://www.rebetiko.gr/books/html/2.asp

Thanks, yes, it is a bit of oversimplification, perhaps. I thought the early bouzouki with movable frets was a development of the tamboura, but to be honest I am not an expert on the history of lute-like instruments. I'm pretty sure that the bouzouki in its trichordo form with fixed frets is a 20th Century instrument, but I won't get cross when somebody produces evidence to prove me wrong. By the way, who are you? I have stopped being anonymous... The Real Walrus 09:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

That was me, username:ellinas_arkas. When I post it I didn't have a wiki account. Well, I've seen other people too believing that the bouzouki firstly appeared in the 19th or 20th century, and was from Eastern influence. This is a very big mistake.

The instrument could have Eastern influence from early civilizations like Egypt, Assyria and India, but with its current form it appeared in classical Greece as Pandoura.

Also here is a thread from my forum about the history of the bouzouki: http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=198&mforum=greece

I think it may be necessary to edit some more, ellinas_arkas! Hiotis was definitely an early user of the tetrachordo, but I don't think he was the inventor of it. Unfortunately I can't remember the names of the two people who have been suggested as the actual inventor. I will also fix up some punctuation marks that need changing. I'll try not to do anything annoying without asking first! The Real Walrus 21:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Markup confusion

I think one of the writers confused the < with the [ for linking. 24.186.192.247 21:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bouzouki

This bit was dull, my bad.... The Real Walrus 03:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bouzoukia

This is an interesting addition, but I think it should be a separate page. The Real Walrus 21:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes indeed. I was thinking of that exactly when I pressed save, but I was in a rush. I'll call it Greek nightclubs. Thanks for correcting my silly mistakes. :-) NikoSilver 22:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't be unkind to yourself... The Real Walrus 03:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Angelos Charisteas

Because Charisteas' ability and interest in the bouzouki is not mentioned on his page, could someone find and add an external link that describes this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.41.53.131 (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Greek bouzouki and other versions

Can we perhaps start having seperate pages for the bouzouki types? Ie, greek, irish, middle eastern, etc.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.149.31.194 (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

I think this is a sensible suggestion, and the baglama ought to have its own page anyway. I'm too lazy to do it, and I don't know how yet. I suggest you do it! The Real Walrus 15:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Discussion of the infobox that just showed up is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Instruments. __Just plain Bill (talk) 23:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OK

The Irish Bouzouki and the Greek Baglamas both have their own page. I think I should erase them from hereYangula (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)