Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard/2008-3-21/BJBot
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I would like to urge those who approve bots, that bots like BJBot — which left an unwanted long notice on my talk page because I made a single edit to Adam Powell, telling me that it was listed on AfD — should honour {{nobots}}.
As a side note this response is rather uncalled for behaviour for a bot operator. I'm glad he struck that later, but it's still disappointing. Requests by useres not to notify them should only be ignored if there is a good reason to do so. --Ligulem (talk) 19:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- How do I roll my eyes over the internet? If you would like something changed ask, don't tell me to stop running my bot. BJTalk 19:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, this rant did actually include a hidden gem of a bug report. Thanks. BJTalk 20:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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- You might want to read Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BJBot 4, where Bjweeks said to have had implemented {{nobots}}. When I asked him to stop his bot until that actually works, he first denied my request (later struck his denial) and labelled my comment here as "rant". Besides, that bot task is entierly uneeded and unwanted anway, so it doesn't have my approval (even if it would work as advertised). We simply don't need nor want this hard core talk page spamming. After all, there is a watchlist feature for a purpose. --Ligulem (talk) 16:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I don't think that your individual approval (or mine, since I'm not a BAG member) is the deciding factor. But BJ did say in the bot request that the bot would honor nobots, and I think it is a reasonable thing for this bot to do, if its purpose is mainly to notify users on their talk pages. — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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- The bot seems to be notifying a hell of a lot of people for a single AfD. Can we stop the bot, reopen the BRFA and seek wide community input please (as this task probably affects most of the community and could do with broader input that that provided in the previous one day BRFA)? Martinp23 18:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to see the approval for this task looked into further by BAG. The notifying of people with very few edits to articles seems rather an annoyance and the bot seems to be notifying a lot of people (IPs included) - I count about 50 notifications about the proposed deletion of Prussian Blue (duo) alone. This was probably a request that should have been scrutinised a little longer... WjBscribe 18:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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- This request should not have been granted. But since there seems to be no procedure for withdrawing of erroneous approvals, chances are small that anything will happen here. In case BAG or whoever actually does review this bot's task, I suggest to at least rethink if it really makes sense to post lenghty notices about article deletions if the last edit of that editor on the article at hand dates back more than a year. Furthermore, notifying admins about page deletions is particularly pointless, since we can still see "deleted" pages anyway. Also, wiki-gnomes like myself who currently don't edit and who have many thousands of small edits in their contribs, are particulary annoyed by having their talk pages plastered with these pointless wordy "notfications" which don't serve much more than making inactive editor's talk pages look like they would pertain to some stupid newbie who needs a pile of corrective warnings about his misplaced steps on this wiki.
- This project has really gone mad. Some bot operators with approvals seem to think they are on a heroic mission here and they have to be prepared to knee-jerk reject requests to stop and fix their bots. This attitude is harmful to this project. But that seems to be the norm nowadays on Wikipedia. --Ligulem (talk) 01:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- We could just, you know, ask him to do something about it... --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟʇs(st47) 19:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm confused, isn't that what's been going on so far? —Locke Cole • t • c 20:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- I've made some small changes which halved the number of notices to that article. I'm also working on adding a check for when the person last edited the article. That should be done by tomorrow. BJTalk 03:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
There was in fact two different bugs that allowed Ligulem to get a notice. The first was me playing around with nobots early in the morning and had been fixed for hours (what he requested fixed on my talk), the second I didn't notice until he posted his rant here ("only one edit" got my interest), I also fixed that. If anybody sees unwarranted notices, leave a message on the bots talk with a diff. I also plan do redisable IP notices per a message on my talk, that should further reduce notices. BJTalk 01:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, for responding to, and fixing the bugs mentioned somewhere in this complaint. Also, thanks for staying cool on this one. SQLQuery me! 04:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Yes it's not a big deal, but it would have been nice to admit that in the first place instead of labelling my post here as a "rant". Second, it seems somewhat of an irony, that it was SQL who fully protected his talk page recently [1]. Of course, I do understand that he was under very tense stress in real life and with some recent on-wiki issues. --Ligulem (talk) 09:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Opt-in instead of opt-out
I've added a new section on the approval discussion page at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BJBot 4, proposing to use an opt-in procedure for task 4 (delete notifications). I suggest to follow-up at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BJBot 4#Opt-in instead of opt-out. --Ligulem (talk) 10:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
