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Contents 1 Biblical Refs 2 Bosporus or Bosphorus 3 Cimmerian Bosporus 4 Etymology of Bosporus 5 Question of two-way flow in the Bosporus 6 Move 7 Requested move 7.1 Survey 7.2 Discussion 8 shipping 9 Istanbul 10 Bosporus / Bosphorus again 11 Vandalism Much? 12 gallery

[edit] Biblical Refs

In the text just below from the refs section:

The poster quoted the three different versions of The Bible it seems in order to provide a more full insight into the biblical reference at note five. The external link seems sufficient. The other classical literature references (1-4) above do not include extensive quotations from their sourced documents. It seems more consistent to use only the external link. (The link works great and directs a user to exactly the passages quoted.)

• • And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south. (KJV)
  • And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel, all the places of the Chanaanites even to Sarepta: and the captivity of Jerusalem that is in Bosphorus, shall possess the cities of the south. (Douay-Rheims)
  • et transmigratio exercitus huius filiorum Israhel omnia Chananeorum usque ad Saraptham et transmigratio Hierusalem quae in Bosforo est possidebit civitates austri. (Vulgate)

PBF 04:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bosporus or Bosphorus

Is it Bosporus or Bosphorus? I'm not sure. Danny

Webster's Ninth and RandomHouse have both, with Bosporus listed first. -- Marj Tiefert, Saturday, July 13, 2002

Thanks. Danny

Better make a mention of the alternative. I'm pretty sure in From Russia with Love (film) they say Bosphorus, it was on telly last weekend... -- Tarquin

It's Bosporus. Bosphorus is wrong.

--IonnKorr 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Both seems to be correct, with Bosporus as the most widely used. Howcome Bosporus redirects to Bosphorus and not the reverse? Bertilvidet 12:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cimmerian Bosporus

Is Cimmerian Chersonesus not a _city_ Chersonesos/Korsun'/Khersones, an ancient suburb of current Sevastopol? Why whole Crimean _peninsula_ is taken as parralel to the single _town_ Gallipoli? Mingis.

I've now put a fuller discussion of Bosporus/Bosphorus into the article, which seemed to warrant it. I've removed the Chersonese material as extrinsic to the topic: it belongs in its own article. But "Chersos" means "dry land" in Greek, and "Nesos" "island", so Chersonese is just Greek for a peninsular, of any size. If it is also the name of a suburb of Sevastopol (which is by the way built on the ancient Sebastopolis or "emperor's city"), that may just be a bit of archaising by a smart Russian property developer. Mark O'Sullivan 17:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Bosporus

Ancient Greeks suggested an mythological etymology relative with Io )(or preciously, Iô), daughter of Inachus and mistress of Zeus.

But, I suppose that the word "Bos-porus" is derivated by the name of Bessians (or Bessi), a people of classical Thrace.

The word "porus" means "passage, strait" in ancient Greek.

So, Bosporus means "the strait of Bessians".

--IonnKorr 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question of two-way flow in the Bosporus

As I remember Ryan and Pitman's book, the Bosporus has 2-way flow: near the surface fresh water flows from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean, but lower there is a flow of salt water from the Mediterranear into the Black Sea. If this is correct, it would make the Bosporus one of the most interesting "rivers" in the world. If it is not correct, it should perhaps be noted by Wikipedia.

[edit] Move

some talk seems to be at Talk:Bosporus. I propose we move this article (back?) to Bosporus Bertilvidet 13:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. "Bosporus" seems to be the most common spelling in dictionaries, etc. I will request a move (we need an admin because Bosporus already has an edit history). Lesgles (talk) 01:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] shipping

Does anyone have figures regarding the minimum depth of the strait, and maximum capacity a ship may have that can safely make passage?

[edit] Istanbul

The city of Constantinople wasn't renamed Istanbul until the 20th Century with the advent of the Turkish Republic; not in 1453. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.191.211.54 (talk • contribs) 15:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Isn't Istanbul just the Turkish translation of Constantinople? AFAIR the Turks always called the city Istanbul, even when it was the Bycantine capital. Der Eberswalder (talk) 01:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

In Byzantine times, when Constantinople was the capital of the Empire, its official name was Nova Roma in Latin, Νέα Ῥώμη in Greek. The name Constantinople, although in common use, was an informal name. The Turks used several names for the city, of which Kostantiniyye, used in official documents, probably corresponds most directly to Constantinople. The name Istanbul probably comes from a Greek form pronounced Stimboli or Stambuli. See further Istanbul#Names and Names of Istanbul.  --Lambiam 18:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bosporus / Bosphorus again

In the English translation of Turkish Nobel-winning novelist Orhan Pamuk's Istanbul: Memories and the City, the author (or his translator) consistently uses Bosphorus. Also, the old wooden mansions on the shore are referred to as Yahs. Both versions differ from the article discussed here. Sca 02:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

In English both Bosporus and Bosphorus are used, and the article mentions both forms in the first sentence. Bosporus with a p is the name in Latin, and corresponds to the Greek name (both ancient and modern Greek). It is unclear where forms like Bosphorus with a ph come from; one hypothesis is that this stems from contamination with Phosphorus. Many Romance languages have a ph or f (for example French Bosphore); the name in most other languages has a p. In encyclopedias and scholarly publications the form Bosporus is more common; Bosphorus is found more in literary texts, for whatever reason.

The name for the mansions (which are often but not always made of wood) is yalı, four letters of which the last letter ı (an i without a dot) is one of the extra letters in the Turkish alphabet. If the translation really has yah, that is an unfortunate misprint; but is also easy to misinterpret yalı as yah while reading; in some fonts they are almost undistinguishable. When rendering a Turkish word or name in English, the letter i is often substituted for ı, for example, Topkapı becomes Topkapi.  --Lambiam 19:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Much?

You might want to fix this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.145.184 (talk) 10:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] gallery

We need a gallery. Deniz^T_C 02:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)