Talk:Bolt action

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Contents 1 it is virtually impossible for a bolt action firearm to jam. 2 Major bolt action systems 3 question 4 Headspace 5 Unlocked & unloaded 6 Straight-pull bolt actions

[edit] it is virtually impossible for a bolt action firearm to jam.

I think this statement needs citation, and I am also inclined to think it is incorrect to a certain degree. I have fired many bolt actions that have jammed for various reasons, many because of a failure to eject for one reson or another, then closing the bolt on a new round when the spent one is still in the chamber.

[edit] Major bolt action systems

I've added a section on the three major bolt systems- Mauser, Lee-Enfield, and Mosin-Nagant. I'll try and research them a bit more (and hopefully get some photos from somewhere) over the next week or so. --Commander Zulu 11:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted that there are other bolt systems that are independent of any of those. For example, the Schmidt-Rubin action differs vastly from all three. — Red XIV ^(talk) 05:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much about the Schmidt-Rubin system, but feel free to add a section- it certainly seems to merit inclusion!--Commander Zulu 12:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Rather than subdivide with K-31 and other designs, just put "split bridge"- that covers all the Schlegelmilch designs, like the Mosin, Commission of 1888 rifle, Mauser-Verguiero, Carcano, Mannlicher-Schonauer, and more. --Vaarok 1:23, 03 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.194.189.149 (talk)

There's also the Ross, which was a straight-pull. Trekphiler (talk) 22:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] question

The XM26 Lightweight Shotgun System (LSS) is the most advanced and recent example, which may hold the distinction of being the first bolt-action shotgun to be used in military service.-taken from the artical

is it realy bolt action its more pumpaction, and if it pump theres been plenty of others

No it is in fact a bolt-action shotgun. Bolt action is literally working the bolt, while pump works several parts which open the receiver.--LWF 17:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The British and the Indians were using .410ga bolt-action Ishapore shotguns back in the late '40s, so the XM-26 isn't the first bolt-action shotgun in military service; I've removed the incorrect statement from the article. --Commander Zulu 03:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headspace

The "Headspace" section of this article seems out of place -- both in that it is the first item discussed (while an important safety issue for surplus rifles, it's not necessarily a key concept in the discussion of bolt action) and that it is inserted as the hierarchical parent of the "Loading" and "Benefits and Drawbacks," which doesn't make sense. Any thoughts on re-arranging, such as moving the headspace note farther down, and promoting Loading and Benefits and Drawbacks to higher heading levels? - Racingmars (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

• I agree. The ordering of some of the sections should be moved around. I would suggest the history section follows the introduction, as most articles of any kind normally do. Then I think a new section be made to include the Loading and Benefits and Drawbacks parts, with the possible heading of Use of bolt action or General use or something. Then would come the major systems section, hybrids, and references(article needs refs). Just some ideas.

• I also think more mention should be made for the Schmidt-Rubin system, perhaps after the bit on Mosins, and the history section expanded, like including when each major system began and ended vast use. If needed, I have examples and pics of all three major systems, and of the Rubins, and even a short video of a K31 being operated. Kresock (talk) 02:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unlocked & unloaded

Can other bolt-actions than the Krag be fitted for gate loading, or is it a unique feature? Trekphiler (talk) 00:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Straight-pull bolt actions

I noticed that several pages (eg. the K31 article) that refer to straight-pull bolt actions link to "bolt action", although this article only briefly mentions them in the "Other variants" and "Operating the bolt" sections without a proper definition.
Should there be
- a new article about straight-pull bolt actions linking here?
- a new section outlining different categories before explaining the standard systems like Mauser, Enfield etc?
- no change, because of the comparatively small number of straight-pull bolt actions?

--84.160.221.24 (talk) 16:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd say "No change", because the total number of notable straight pull rifles can be counted on one hand, and of those, only the Ross Rifle, the Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 and the K31 saw anything approaching widespread use.--Commander Zulu (talk) 12:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)