Talk:Bohemian

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I have lived the Bohemian lifestyle for years , and not known it, until I came across this Wikipedia site, and discovered my true self!

So, in retrospect, I realize the roots of my Bohemity have been growing since childhood:

In the 1970's I discovered a true Bohemian spirit - the singer Joni Mitchell. Her lyrics are free and unrestrained, as is her creative music.

Living with art, writing and music has been like living among passionate friends. But does one have to own the arts in order to be Bohemian?

My father wanted me to become a debutante. When I was growing up - I had to attend all the "right" dances in order to find the "right" man. I ended up a homosexual...

For years, all I ever have wanted of art was to have a room in which to be creative - to keep the hours I needed and eat when the stomach called... to wake to endless hours of art, writing and music.

For days I would not change my clothes or bathe - (why bother, if no one but me is around...? I simply wear what I need in order to clothe my body. Some Bohemians are look-conscious - I find this very attractive, but do not need "the look" for myself. I had enough of clothes and burned my bra after my debutante days.

Is being Bohemian simply self-gratification? In some ways it is... you see, we are not on this earth simply to serve ourselves, and fill our days with egoconcentric circles of nausea-creating piles of manure.

Here is my goal as a Bohemian: to maintain integrity to the true meaning of the word without stepping all over my fellow man to do so. And I want to share my art with the world.

Haight-Ashbury was not the Bohemian neighborhood in San Francisco until the early/mid-1960s.

Before that it was North Beach.

The Haight was not "bohemia" in the 19th or early 20th c.

I changed the page so that it now only dicusses "Bohemian" as a nationality and created Bohemian (disambiguation). I'm now in the process of gradually changing all the "life style bohemian" links to Bohemianism. Help would be appreciated. --Chino 05:39, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I will agree with you Chino. I am in the process of doing some research on the Bohemian and Bohemian way of life, including purchasing a copy of a book called the bohemian manifesto. Clearly a lot more work has to be done on this entry...poop

Chino - although English is not my mother-tongue I would say that bohemian is a lot more in use as an expression in the lifestyle sense, not in the origin sense. that's why I think the lifestyle article should be here, not an old expression for a kind of people
I guess you have never been to Chicago? Peyna 02:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the article about the people is I believe wrong when saying that the expression just kind of died out. It was the expression for the Germans living in that area until the end of WWII, more information probably if you look for Benes-Decrees in google or Bohemia, only about the western two thirds have been Bohemia.217.185.235.88 18:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Any more Bohemian info?

I am 1/8 Bohemian, and would love to know more about it, which this page does not do much of. Such as, what other ethnic groups are Bohemians close genetically to? I mean, i know some Czechs and some Bohemians, and, from what I have seen, Bohemians seem to be different, more tan, I guess. Just wondering if anyone here knew. Oh, and whoever said, "the lifestyle article should be here, not an old expression for a kind of people", I could not disagree with you more. People are ethnicly Bohemians, and if "Italian" got the same freak connotation as Bohemian, the page on Italian should not be devoted to that, but to the ethnicity. Only problem is, there are more Italians, and Italy is still a country. Bohemia is more defenseless, but still deserving of its own article--but it's too generic, I want more of the culture which I long for yet know so little about.

Not sure about your comment regarding Bohemians being tan; the Bohemian side of my family is very pale and has red hair. (We took our last name from the region, apparently as well). Peyna 02:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What about the bohemian people

I am 1/4 Bohemian and it is hard to find anything on my families past. This page as helped me learn about so much yet the one thing that I am really curious about it doesn't have. Bohemia is a culture and for some people their ethinic background. I even think people would find that the Bohemian language is almost extinct but not yet. There are still a few that speak it, but they came from the bad clan that gave the rest of the Bohamians such trouble. Ya there was two clans, one that just did what everyday people do and the other that was theaves, fortune tellers, and prostitutes. The sad part is the only people who know of this are the ones with this ancestry. It would be nice if you guys could give more information on the heritage. And about being tan, my family is pale as well. I have been told by others that my features resemble Bohemians which are dark blone- lite brown hair, hazel green eyes, rosey pink cheeks, and fair skin. 67.142.130.26 09:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Tasha R.

I think Bohemian's (the ethnicity) should be turned in to it's own page, just like any of the other groups of people. Bohemian's still recognize themselves as such before considering themselves as Czech's from my understanding. JanderVK —Preceding unsigned comment added by JanderVK (talk • contribs) 04:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the connection between the word "bohemian" and catholic propaganda

I've heard from various sources (please back me up) that the origins of what we currently define as bohemian came from accusations of the catholic church against the "bohemians" or members of the hussite revolution. This was done in order to defame the movement. Aspects of this propaganda included "wildness" or "orgies" or a generally unconventional lifestyle that was seperate from and against the catholic church. Was this propaganda the origin of our current usage of the word Bohemian? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.192.252.130 (talk) 02:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Reference for Hindenburg's nickname for Hitler...

I'd like to know the source of this statement... and the article should point it out for the shake of completeness.

[edit] RE: Reference for Hindenburg's nickname for Hitler...

Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"

you should anedote it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.129.203 (talk) 00:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

I've removed the content about modern bohemianism. Readers can find the more comprehensive bohemianism article through the disambig page. Superm401 - Talk 05:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)