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[edit] move?
Can we move this page to the name "Boğaziçi University"? Adam78 15:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Source
The entire history section is taken word-for-word from the Boğaziçi University website: History of Bogazici University. Xemxi 17:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] rectors
well, the names presented in the rectors section are actually the ones who were rectors of Robert College before BU was founded. those names also appear on the present high school's page...i think they should be only mentioned here but should not be presented as the past rectors of BU, because they were not.--Quinlan Vos 01:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
School's policy is to title these people as "The presidents of RC and BU", and to define RC as "the nucleus of BU". Past relations with RC is a subject open to debate here and is a subject of constant debate in BU itself. Probably it is better to accept the official policy. Even now the buildings are known with their original names, the Computer Center still is using old names on servers... Reventlov 16:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Robert College Alumni cannot be included in the list of notable alumni
The names of Robert College alumni cannot be included in the list of notable alumni, due to the fact that Robert College is not equal to Bogazici in any case. First of all, some of the Robert College alumni listed there graduated only from Robert College's high school let alone be a student in college section. Even if that was the case, and they graduated from Robert College, Robert Yuksek, Robert Academy before 1971, they cannot be named Bogazici University alumni. This is a fact, which cannot be ignored by saying Robert College was the former name of Bogazici University (which is not true, by the way). Robert College only donated one of its two campuses to the Republic of Turkey, with all of its buildings and facilities to be refounded as a public, Turkish university, which is not related at all with Robert College's status in Turkey according to the Treaty of Lausanne. The only bond today, that exists between Robert College and Bogazici University is the fact that Bogazici is a public university that was founded on the campus which was built (South) and used for nearly a century by Robert College. Due to the constitutional changes, Robert College students lost their privilege to be admitted to Bogazici University without the OSS, like the French schools and Galatasaray Lisesi graduates direct entry to Galatasary University. In other words with the loss of the right of direct entry, Bogazici University has lost all of its connection with Robert College. The symbolic foundation date of 1863, is similar to the symbolic date of foundation of Istanbul University, 1453. The fact that a new institution was founded on a former campus of another, does not make the new one, the contiunation of the old. For the reasons stated, the list of alumni cannot include people, who have graduated from Robert College, Robert Yuksek and Robert Academy, or anyone who graduated before 1971, the legal date of foundation of Bogazici University. --Maestro 14:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Robert College != Bogazici University But...
I agree with Meastro if you graduate from Bogazici University you are not a Robert College High School Graduate unless you graduated from Robert College High School (İstanbul Amerikan Robert Lisesi) earlier.
But having said that, I must add that Bogazici University did in fact inherit the traditions of Robert College as the first American College outside or United States:
Bogazici University kept its institutions intact and the students enjoyed a typical American College campus life including the extracurricular activities that are typical of US college campuses (clubs, fraternities, etc.) Robert college was split into two in 1971 as a College and a High School after a bill was passed in the Turkish parliament that nationalized the education. The College part of former "Robert College" is today's Bogazici University and the High school part was joined by ACG (American College for Girls or Uskudar Amerikan in Turkish) to became Istanbul American Robert Lisesi.
The contention between the Robert Lise and Bogazici University students and the alumni is that The High school retained the name "American" in its name and the college did not, and it was named "Bogazici University". The polemical discussion posted by Maestro above is about "who is more American", the Amerikan Robert Lisesi or the Bogazici University.
Up until 1980 when YOK (Council for the Hiher Education) was founded by the junta rejime, the universities in Turkey had retained their academic independence. Moreover, until 1980 the Universities in Turkey were more like a sovereign states: they had their senates they made the rules and the bylaws, they had the right to allow or deny police force in their campus etc. They ran pretty much like a city state up until 1980. So Bogazici University was very much like a typical US college of the same period.
The nationalization of the Universities also meant that the graduates of Robert Lisesi were no longer automatically entitled to be admitted to Bogazici University after high school graduation as they were prior to 1971. They had to take the "Entrance Exam" (Equivalent of SAT) and compete against the rest of the high school graduates in Turkey. Graduates of Amerikan Robert Lisesi and Uskudar Amerikan Lisesi are academically very proficient but Bogazici University admitted very few students every year and the demand was too high and those rural poor Turkish kids were also clever after all. Having to compete with the rest of the Turkish high school graduates to be admitted to Bogazici University was a contentious point for Robert Lisesi and Uskudar Amerikan Lisesi graduates. Before 1971 every Amerikan High school graduate was entitled an Admission to Robert College which was no longer the case.
Today both schools are very much like American instutions: Robert Lisesi is more like a prep school for the rich kids and Bogazici University is more like the University of California, Berkeley, that you really need to be very clever to get in.
So the gripe that the rich kids of Robert Lisesi raise is very similar to dynamics of "Affirmative Action" in the US that some "non-white or non-rich kids" are admitted to the positions which were slated to the Robert Lisesi graduates before. Even this disagreement is very American. So yes I agree with Maestro graduating from Bogazici Universit does not mean that you are a "Robert College" graduate and there is a wealth of information to dig there! AverageTurkishJoe 06:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC) AverageTurkishJoe
