Talk:BMP-1

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Deployment

    • "BMP-1 infantry fighting vechiles(sic, gotta fix that) are used by the armoured jaeger companies and BMP-2s are used by armoured recon and armoured anti-tank companies. New Swedish Combat Vehicle 90s and Finnish Patria AMV 8x8s have been ordered for the Readiness brigades." Says the article Finnish_Army.
      --194.111.49.254 09:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • BMP-1 (designated as Pbv 501) is in use by Swedish_Army.
      --194.111.49.254 09:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Operators

The list is badly incomplete and inaccurate too, first it says that most of the vehicles in afganistan were supposedly captured from soviets, well this is not true, but the vehicles were those used by the legimate army of afgan goverment delivered them by USSR.

Also Finland is not listed as "operator", even when the vehicle showing its door mounted fuel tanks in the "Protection issues" section is FDF vehicle in Finnish camo and bearing the "PS" (armor) registration serial which can be clearly seen in the picture also the finnish vehicles were first delivered at around 1983 from USSR it self with another patch following and them suplemented by the DDR surplus and there was in the end 2 brigades, a division worth of T-72, BMP 1 and 2 in equal numbers, around 110-150 of each of these.

[edit] Protection issues

Shouldn't the door-mounted fuel-tanks be mentioned under "protection issues". I believe at least some analysts have considered this an important flaw. Now it is only mentioned in the image text. -Sensemaker

[edit] In need of an expert

An opinionated evaluation is not what we need for this article, rather it could use a healthy dose of CONTEXT in regards to the design. I'm not sure exactly what that would entail, but I know commenting on how poorly the BMP-1 would fare against modern vehicles is not helpful. 65.37.28.154 04:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Variants

I updated the list of variants and broke the list up country by country. -- dendirrek (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Since I don't see ANY connection between the BMP-1 and the Yugoslav BVP M-80 and Polish BWP-2000, I removed the last two from the page. There are separate pages. dendirrek (talk) 10:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox weapon should have one variant

It's far to confusing to have multiple variants in the infobox - it's supposed to give "at a glance" data about the vehicle. Sure with all the variant data in there it's more complete but it's almost impossible to read. See T-34 medium tank, a featured article, that uses the single variant approach, along with a table showing specification differences between variants.Megapixie (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello.
But T-34 has about as many variants as there were T-34 tanks. BMP-1 has four main variants: BMP (Ob'yekt 765sp1), BMP-1 (Ob'yekt 765sp2), Ob'yekt 765sp3 and BMP-1P (Ob'yekt 765sp4/5). Those are the variants that I included in that Infobox. Besides the only thing that distinguishes those vehicles in the Infobox is weight and power to weight ratio (and armament as in case of BMP-1P). That gives the reader a general overview of the differences between the variants and he/she can look up for more information in the article itself. - SuperTank17 (talk) 00:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The point is that it's uncluttered. Look at the armaments section:
73 mm 2A28 Grom low pressure smoothbore gun (40 rounds)[3] 9M14 Malyutka (AT-3 Sagger) ATGM for BMP-1 (4 + 1 rounds)[4] 9M111 Fagot (AT-4 Spigot) ATGM, 9M111-2 Fagot (AT-4B Spigot B) ATGM, 9M113 Konkurs (AT-5 Spandrel) ATGM or 9M113M Konkurs-M (AT-5B Spandrel B) ATGM for BMP-1P (4 rounds)[3]
It's really difficult to read. My point is that the information is better presented in a table which can easily emphasize the differences rather than the infobox. The infobox is better to give the reader high level information, i.e. how heavy, how fast, what weapons... To understand what's there at the moment, you'd actually have to understand the subject area to get the fact that there are many variants, and which one is most common. Megapixie (talk) 01:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello.
So what you're suggesting is to get one variant into the Infobox and show the differences between the four main variants with a use a table? - SuperTank17 (talk) 01:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. I would suggest putting the either the most numerous or first major variant of the vehicle in the infobox (I think the 765sp3 is both in this case), and adding a table as per T-34 showing the differences. Megapixie (talk) 01:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Operators list - Estonia

Estonian Army has never possed any BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles. Army forum has a technics section where all the weapons in use of the Ground Force are introduced - there are no BMP type vehicles. http://www.sodur.com http://www.sodur.com/?id=412&sid=4

Neither have I ever seend or heard about Estonian BMP-1 machines on parades or military manouvres. Karabinier (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello.
There's a source supporting this. Also I heard that Estonia bought two BMP-1 IFVs from North Korea and used them as decoration however I was yet unable to find any sources supporting this.
Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)