Talk:Bloody Mary (South Park)

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[edit] Alcoholism

About that short note in the 'Trivia' section that keeps getting removed and re-inserted ... there's the following dialog in the episode:


Stan: "My dad was here yesterday and you kinda messed him up by telling him he had a disease."

Dude 1: "Alcoholism is a disease."

Stan: "No, it's ... it's not. And you can't just go around saying stuff like that to people like my dad. He's ... he's kinda a hypochondriac."

Dude 2: "It is a disease because it is a physical dependency. That makes it a disease."

Stan: "No, cancer is a disease. My dad needs to drink less."


I know the point is Randy being pushed into thinking he's an alcoholic just because of his one drunk driving episode and the dudes there are overreacting. Still, I gotta stick with the AA dudes on this. Alcoholism *is* a disease, it's classified as such not only in the major psychiatric catalogues (such as DSM) but also in the ICD-10 - which, to me and every other person in the medical field, makes it a disease.

There is a legitimate range of controversy about this in the literature: I don't know if you are ignoring it or what, but it's by no means a settled subject. In any case, this debate is not really relevant to the article as far as I can see. I am interested that there is so much on Catholic objection to this episode despite the fact that it was a lot more of an attack on AA than Catholicism (it was gross and blasphemous with an icon, but never actually really attacked Catholic belief in the same way it attacks AA). Plunge 03:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

So, if the reason this tidbit is not accepted in the article is because it's irrelevant, then that's fine with me. Otherwise, I feel it should be in there because it's verifiable and with a citation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blinkenpilzen (talk • contribs) 05:26, 9 May 2006.

Also to note Stan's dad goes back to his drinking ways though many studies have shown that the majority of alcoholics cannot return to drinking in moderation, see the article on alcoholism.
There seems to be no consensus on the Disease Theory of Alcoholism.--Robbstrd 01:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


62.25.106.209 16:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)Just to refute the notion that entry into the DSM makes alcoholism a disease (you may wish to note the DSM has in the past also listed homosexuality as a disease). This is a nonsense. Alcoholism is a behaviour and has been labelled a disease as a result of intense lobbying by the para-professionals of the 12-step community. Drinking is an expression of choice and is voluntary. All diseases are involuntary and can be shown to exist by scientific objective testing. Alcoholism does not meet this criteria. Great episode though!

Ok, but the POINT is that you can't use a disease as an excuse to feel powerless, and especially not as an excuse to keep doing something you know you shouldn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed another link [1] which while not youtube, appears to be showing parts of the episode in violation of copyright. If I made a mistake and the site has permission to show these segments, you're welcome to re-add it but please mention here the evidence that the site has permission Nil Einne 14:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deletion

I think that this article, since it is highly controversial and offensive, that this article should not be here. PLEASE consider it. This article has no place in an encyclopedia that hopes to be half ways decent. Thank you DevoutCatholic 03:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry man, not only is that never going to happen with the rules in place on this site, but I have to disagree with you on the idea to begin with. I too consider myself a devout Catholic, and the whole idea of this episode makes my blood boil, but Wikipedia is here to document such things, no matter how distasteful or downright disgusting they may be. -- Grandpafootsoldier 07:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Why would the article be deleted because its controversial? Just because it hurts your feelings it should be removed? That is like me saying the article on sex should be removed because kids might see it. 72.93.158.106 19:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to make it look like that we're all ganging up on you, DevoutCatholic, but please see WP:NOT#CENSOR - Wikipedia is not censored under fear that it is controversial or offensive, so I'm afraid you will have to live with it. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 10:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia and goofs

I have removed trivia and goofs. They are all unsourced. I have also removed the cleanup tag. Capitalistroadster 06:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Good, I hope to have the same done to all other South Park episodes. Take a look at my User Page and you'll see I'm cutting down some Trivia - but I'd rather be able to remove it all, or merge it. ≈ The Haunted Angel 11:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see it integrated where possible. Thedarxide 12:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Visitor

There is a visitor behind Stan's dad, when he is sitting in the car and explaining to Stan about the virgin Mary. I think this should mentioned in the article.. perhaps put the trivia section back up? I'm not doing it myself, bacause a) I don't know how to add a new section, as I don't normally edit stuff here, and b) my English is somewhat poor, as I am foreign.

WP:WELCOME is useful to the first problem, if you don' know how to add a new section. However, I added this a while ago, but then the problem of Trivia arises - Trivia, including stuff like this is somewhat irrevelvant and unencyclopedic - as interesting as either you or I may find it. See WP:TRIVIA for more info. ≈ The Haunted Angel 10:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hypochondriacal behavior?

Why'd he get into a wheelchair and shave his head? I assumed it was a parody of some movie, but was it more like Howie Mandel and Britney Spears who suddenly developed severe germophobia and shaved their heads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 04:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)