Talk:Bleeding Kansas

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Contents 1 Expansion 2 Suspected Vandalism: 3 Heading 4 Copyright Violation? 5 Vandalism? 6 This pissed me off. 7 Deaths in Bleeding Kansas 8 First Shots of the Civil War 9 I Couldn't Find This 10 Freedom's Frontier 11 Cass & Popular Sovereignty

[edit] Expansion

I really think someone needs to expand on this article.

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[edit] Suspected Vandalism:

I have removed the sentence that read "The first shot of the small war was fired by the colonel Rob McHell when he shot his neighbor in the face when he learned he would not be voting for slavery." I have been unable to find any mention of this elsewhere that does not return to this wikipedia page and it seems highly suspect for several reasons; for example, the name "McHell." DeciusAemilius

[edit] Heading

It is easier to organize an article if you use headers like the one above.

[edit] Copyright Violation?

Much of this article is copied verbatim from the PBS article. Those paragraphs should be rewritten or deleted. MarcusGraly 20:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

It seems that someone fiddled around with the introduction to the article, changing the pictures... hm.

[edit] This pissed me off.

I couldn't understand about half of what the writer was trying to get across. Stop trying to act like a genius and put it in terms we can all understand.

I agree. The word that cuaght me was "Presaged". I had a good idea what it meant from context, but it was still really unnecessary to use, a word like "foretold" (that WAS a MS word synonym)would have worked perfectly fine Name here 16:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deaths in Bleeding Kansas

Since this was the subject of a recent change, I thought I would point out that Craig Miner's recent and fairly-definitive Kansas: The History of the Sunflower State, 1854-2000 states, "Between 1854 and 1861, fifty-six people died in the confrontations in Kansas." [p. 57] Kgwo1972 12:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted the change to 200 deaths back to 55 on general principals, as it did not cite a source. As you seem to be familiar with Miner's book, could you place an appropriate link to it in the article? -- Donald Albury 01:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I put it in the "References" section months ago. If you want citations to the book for specific sentences – such as the one about fatalities – I could do that, but I'm not sure its necessary. Let me know. Kgwo1972 02:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

For short articles, it doesn't matter much. As articles get longer/gain references it becomes important to tie citations to specific sections. Citing page numbers in books helps readers find the specific information in the source. -- Donald Albury 22:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Shots of the Civil War

5 guys getting hacked to death with swords is considered the first shots of a war?

Yeah, I took that sentence out. Unless someone has a source for it...and even then, *who* considered it the opening shots of the war? It is certainly not the mainstream view. DMorpheus (talk) 14:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I Couldn't Find This

I couldn't find the answer to this question. What was it that Kansas became after the battle was over? Slave or non-slave? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.86.213.71 (talk) 23:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Free. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC) (B.A., Hist., UW-Milwaukee)

[edit] Freedom's Frontier

Edited out the comment concerning Fort Scott being a part of the "Freedom's Frontier National Heritage Area". Although the enabling legislation for the National Heritage Area has passed, the Management Plan stated in 109th Congress, 1st Session, H.R. 413 Sec 4(e) has not been submitted or approved to the Secretary of the Interior for review as per H.R. 413 Sec 4(e)(5). As a result, the inclusion of sites in the National Heritage Area Management Plan is conjecture at this point.

[edit] Cass & Popular Sovereignty

Per the Fact-tag request, I have removed the sentence claiming that Lewis Cass "first developed" the doctrine of Popular Sovereignty and replaced it with cited material naming him as "Father of Popular Sovereignty". Said book is available (in part) through Google Books. I believe I have altered the wording sufficiently to place it in context and avoid claims of plagiarism so long as the citation remains in place. Someone may care to offer a better synonym for "sobriquet" though. --Geoff Capp (talk) 22:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)