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[edit] Inserting Aberdeen
Maybe this piece of Text is interesting for the article. It's taken from the Wikipedia page of Aberdeen / Washington:
Aberdeen is also the homeport of the tall ship Lady Washington, a reproduction of a smaller vessel used by the explorer Captain Robert Gray, which is featured in the two Pirates of the Caribbean movies (The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) and Dead Man's Chest (2006).
[edit] Six pound guns?
Sounds awfully light. Didn't frigates usually carry guns that threw 12 or 24 pound shot?
I agree - 6 pounder guns were used around this time by land forces as very light guns... 12 pounders were more common, but "heavily armed" would suggest 18 or 36 pounder cannon - although 24 pounders seem more likely because of the time frame. 32 sounds like an unreasonable number of cannon (The smaller ships of the line had 74 or 92, with some of the larger ships carrying 102 or 114) - considering the Black Pearly is said to be a "Galleon" - which Usually refers to a ship of the line 89.241.163.214 22:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm in the same boat. USS Constitution was armed with 44 guns, not counting caronades on the main deck. While four of those guns were "long nines," I believe the rest, at least those on the gun deck, were twelve pounders, though some may have been 24's. I believe the caronades were either 24 pounders or 36 pounders. Granted, Constitution was an American "super-frigate," but even so, a sixth rate (light frigate), carried around 28 guns, not counting caronades, which would have been 12 pounders.
Now, that's history. But here's some more history: The East India Company was concerned more with the East Indies, not the Western. While the East Indiamen were reasonably heavily armed, for merchant ships, they would not have stood up to a sloop of war. In addition, ships are expensive. The Royal Navy could only get 27 ships of the line to Trafalgar, I somehow doubt a civilian corporation could manage that. And then again, pirates were rarely that well organized. So, I think we might be able to give them a little leeway.
Moreover just from "pop" culture, CS Forester talks about privateers having 6, 8, or 9 pounders while Stan Rogers says of Barret's Privateers their "cracked four pounders made an awful din." Pirates tended not to be particularly well armed. Dastal 05:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Was the ship itself cursed?
If not, then how was a ship with torn sails able to overtake the HMS Interceptor, which was said to be the fastest ship in the Caribbean?--Conrad Devonshire Talk 06:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Think youve answered your own question!SatuSuro 06:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Jack himself states, early in the movie before the Pearl even appears and before he had first-person knowledge of the Aztec curse, that it is faster than the Interceptor, so there likely is some logical explanation. Perhaps, even with the torn sails, it had more square-footage of sail than the Interceptor, perhaps it has something to do with its construction (Even something as simple as the boats shape will effect its speed), or maybe it's got more little extras to help its speed, like the oars you see them use when chasing the Interceptor.
However, the boat itself certainly isn't cursed, because you clearly see it taking damage during its battles. In fact, Jack makes reference to the damage actually affecting its performance. The pirates, however, were never actually hampered by bullet holes or sword cuts, and their limbs continued to work even after they were amputated. Additionally, how could the ship be cursed? To be cursed you need to take one of the coins, and a ship can't do so, nor could it possibly return its blood to the gold, and its clearly established that all the blood needs to go back before the curse is lifted (And the other pirates were cured). Sorry, the Pearl is just a normal ship. JBK405 20:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- This is from ages ago, but I'll add the ship was definitely abnormal under Barbossa's command, whether it was cursed or not. Not many ships tow their own personal storms. --77.99.30.226 13:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The pearl itself is cursed.It has to be.First it has its fog folowing around.after the curse is lifted the fog is gone.The ship's sails are totally ripped but still it has a lot of speed.And when the curse is lifted the sails are fixed.(Jacoby the Blackbeard 11:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Game?
Which "game on the official site" gives more of the Pearl's history? I haven't found one - 81.151.186.81 09:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] At World's End?
Okay, around I've seen that Will's suppose to be barter Jack's soul to Sao Feng for the Black Pearl, however, hasn't the Pearl been sunken by the Krakken already? So what I'm saying is that is the ship suppose to be coming back again, so to speak? Or is that sort of thing just missleading? Captain Drake Van Hellsing 22:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
SPOILER In the third film the Black Pearl does indeed come back. Jack is stranded on the ship in a icy place next to the land of dead "at world's end" - the crew come to rescue him and in the process rescue the Pearl.Jack think they are his imaginations 89.241.163.214 22:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Black Pearl's ship type.
I edited the Black Pearl's ship type. It's stated in the script of the first movie that it is a Galleon and not an "East Indiamen". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.169.210.146 (talk) 05:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
An East Indiaman was more normally a cargo ship I believe, often escorted by frigates. They were owned by the East India company 89.241.163.214 22:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
ya they were not warship also they were slower than most ship during the time also I don't know this for sure but they did not have flat decks making it a not very good pirate ship or it could of been modified like most pirate ships
Actually, Easy Indiamen were heavily armed. They were the most heavily armed cargo ships of their time, and a squadron of them actually fought off a French squadron during the Wars of Coalition. They were also not particularly slow compared to contemporaneous ships. They just didn't hold up to later, unarmed ships. Dastal 05:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Speed
According to the article the Pearl is fast because of the large sails. I believe it was terry Rossio who said in the writers commentary that the ship is fast because it has oars that the crew can use to row. Can anyone confirm this? -Fredvdp 17:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Will Captain
Wasn't Will the Captain temporarily while Barbossa and Jack went ashore to the Kraken's corpse in AWE? BumblePooh16 22:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Real Black Pearl
When I was on holiday in Malta, I saw a sailing ship called the Black Pearl. I took a picture to prove it, but I'm unsure how to add it to this artical (as in the information since it will likely be removed because of lack of references)? Can anyone help me?Wild ste 13:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- I dont think that ship has any relevence to the article. Unless it was a historical ship, it probably doesn't matter. Flamingtorch372 (talk) 02:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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