Talk:Black Paintings

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Regarding my removal of the paragraph containing speculation on a link between Goya's illness and his creative output, I think one should bear in mind that the illness that resulted in his deafness occurred many years before he created the "Black Paintings." It is a mistake to think, as some people apparently do, that Goya's biography reflects a downward spiral towards depression, because he created plenty of upbeat paintings both in the interim between the illness and the Black Paintings and afterward. Moreover, I doubt that the demonstrable link between creativity and mental illness applies in Goya's case, because, apart from two relatively brief episodes, the artist was well in control of his faculties until the end. A simpler explanation is that Goya, in retirement and having been well compensated for his lifetime of painting for Spain's upper crust, had the means and the wherewithal to express his private imaginings without fear of public disapproval. As the article points out, Goya continued to experiment with new media such as lithography and miniatures throughout his life, despite his advanced age, so such an outburst of creativity should not be written off as madness. Wiccan Quagga 08:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The names

The names were given to the paintings afterwards by "art historians"? This needs a whole section of the article to talk about it. Surely some of the namings were controversial? Is that really Saturn? How sure are we that it's really Saturn? If we're not very sure, then it doesn't seem germane to have a big discussion of the myth in the article, either - that is, if the name is just some speculation by some historian. Tempshill 22:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well at first impulse the description does seem irrelevant, but it is usefull in understanding why the painting recieved it's name, though some revision may be appropriate to make it better convey this point and feel less contradictory. Johnnyeagleisrocker 09:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "transferred"

Article should state in detail how the paintings were "transferred" to canvas. As a layman this sounds impossible to me. Tempshill 22:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

That was random. I've always seen that picture of Saturn but never knew who painted it, now I go back on the IP history and found it. 199.227.187.246 (talk) 22:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Club Fight

The Club Fight inspired a scene at the end Jamón Jamón where Javier Bardem and another actor hit each other with serrano hams. They end fighting on their knees.

--Error (talk) 02:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)