Talk:Bitter Sweet Symphony

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[edit] Whois?

There's a quote by someone called "Jones". Who is the article refering to? I've reread it several times, and I'm just not seeing it. Can someone point out (the probably simple fact or sentence) I'm missing? AnarchyElmo 23:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moby remix?

I believe that the Moby remix claim is false. Many unauthorized remixes are traded on peer-to-peer file-sharing networks and are ascribed to incorrect artists. Moby is often miscredited, for example as having written the dance music version of the "Mission Impossible" theme. I deleted this statement from the article. I'm willing to let someone put it back if they can cite an authoritative source. Moby's website does not claim such a remix. Also, a group known as "Rest Assured" released a song called "Treat Infamy" that uses the famous orchestral sample. I have read in places that The Verve suffered from using a sample already in the public domain which is why so many alternative versions have been produced. --nertzy 09:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Another user posted a response to my comment above to my user discussion page. I will copy it below. --nertzy (talk) 00:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Regarding your comment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bitter_Sweet_Symphony , you can find Moby's remix of Bitter Sweet Symphony at this URL, http://www.mp3-center.org/download_mp3/Verve%20/Bitter%20Sweet%20Symphony%20%20Moby%20Remix%20%20/6992362
Although not a good place for a citation, it is most certainly proof of a remix of the song by Moby 210.54.106.91 (talk) 10:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I am going to remove this statement again. As you have already claimed, this is not a good citation. The site mp3-center.org is not a definitive source and appears to spider for content, which opens the almost certain possibility that the site simply found an improperly tagged MP3 file elsewhere on the web:

Mp3-center.org has number of automated features which are out of operator's control. The links are gathered automatically either through the submission tool, or through our spiders which automatically scan thousands of webpages for audio files. Since we do not manually select any particular files, we do not assume any responsibility or liability for the audio file, from completeness to legalities. However, Mp3-center.org is sensitive to the rights of copyright owners, and will try its best to remove any offending links or listings.[1]

--nertzy (talk) 00:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


I've added a quote from the Sage Gateshead and mentioned his VH2 live performance. I've also thrown in a Nick McCabe quote from his 'Excellent Online' interview. I've added a box to show the cover/running length/over general information.

Gatesy 3:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rolling Stones

I haven't added this to the article yet, as I'm not sure how relevant it is: Carter USM, another indie band, had earlier troubles with the Rolling Stones' publishers. IIRC, full ownership of the song and a Jagger/Richards credit was demanded. What did Carter borrow? The words "And it's goodbye Ruby Tuesday" in the chorus! See Carter_USM#Rough_Trade; the song was After the Watershed (Early Learning The Hard Way). You may or may not want to add a reference here to put some historical perspective on to the Verve's battle. Your call. --kingboyk 20:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Surely in this case only the music credit would have gone to Jagger/Richards (and probably fairly)? Isn't it 50% music, 50% words? Or did they grab the whole damn lot?? --kingboyk 20:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not precisely certain, but I think 'the whole damn lot'. The Verve were in a very bad bargaining position since it was holding up release of their album, and they needed the income. And I think the Stones group knew this, so were able to hold out for extremely favourable terms.WolfKeeper 23:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The real name of the song ?

I think the real name of this song is "Bittersweet Symphony". That what we can see on this web site : http://www.theverve.co.uk/audio.html. So we may change the link of the page and other redirections ...

(Sorry i'am french :p)

SphAx3D on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accueil

I think the two are used fairly interchangably. For example, see the CD cover used in the article: Image:Bitter Sweet Symphony CD1.jpg. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 19:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I can confirm this. On my computers, I have MusicMatch, iTunes, WMP, & RealPlayer. They all ID the track as Bittersweet Symphony. They all use the name above (the software uses Gracenote's CDDB to ID CDs). FreeDB uses the title of the article in their CDDB; see the record here. AllMusic uses Bittersweet Symphony as well; see their review of the track. So, I guess the name of this track is still up in the air. - Thanks, Hoshie 10:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, well if the CD itself says its "Bitter Sweet", then that's probably the artist's intended spelling. However, my digital copy of the song says "Bittersweet", but I am guessing that's wrong. --209.204.165.105 06:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The video

The article states that the video was shot without using extras and that a member of the public attacked Ashcroft after he bumbep into him as part of the video. What a pile of shlock: common sense combined with even the tiniest insight into the amount of effort required to create 4:15 seconds of music television will quickly make people realise that the video was fairly meticulously scripted. A couple of examples; why arent all those people staring at the camera? Why does the driver of the car wait for the camera to pass her befor hopping out of the drivers seat and arguing into the lens?

I propose this remark be extracted a.s.a.p. unless someone can find a citation or clarification of any related events that did occur.

Brigman 01:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

To the above:

The filming you are referring to was the first attempt, the one seen everywhere is the second, scripted event.


To the unsigned comment above:

Can you please cite that. Pathfinder2006 19:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bitter Sweet Symphony CD1.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bitter Sweet Symphony CD2.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bitter Sweet Symphony US.jpg

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