Talk:Billiard table

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[edit] Wood

This post was moved here from Talk:John Rea (snooker player) since it was off-topic there but relevant here.

why the use of wood in the manufacturing of a snooker table and not other material [The previous unsigned comment was posted by 216.252.181.105 (talk · contribs), 13:06, 8 December 2005 ]

[edit] Merge from Pocket (billiards)

Resolved.

I think Pocket (billiards) should be merged into this article, what's the point of having it seperate? We can just mention that some tables don't have pockets or returns. 128.6.176.51 20:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Support. There's not enough info about table pockets to warrant an entire article on them. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Marking this "resolved" as someone did the merge. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Snooker table

Resolved.

Suggesting the possibility of merging this with the Billiards table article. There is much overlap, but still significant differences. I guess a snooker table is a specific kind of billiards table. StraussianNeocon 12:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Support. Instead of a bunch of small, kind of lame articles on this table variant and that, it would be much better to have a larger, really good article on cue sports tables in general and all their variations. The snooker one would be an immediate good section, and probably inspire the creation of similar ones for carom and pool games. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Marking this "resolved" as someone did the merge. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Materials and manufacture

Would like to see more on the materials used to make the frame / legs and the manufacturing processes. Could also mention pocket ball catching devices: string pockets -> parralel rails. StraussianNeocon 12:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modern era

From the article's lead:

"In the modern era, all billiards tables, regardless of whether for carom billiards, pocket billiards or snooker, provide a flat surface usually made of quarried slate..."

What is the "modern era", or when did it start more or less? --ChaChaFut 03:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cushion Rubber

I would like to make some changes to the Cushion Rubber article. Currently, I think it flows a little bit off topic, getting into cloth and nap. I would like to modify the cushion section, for example I'd like to cover:

1) Profiles (e.g. K66, K56, etc) 2) Bonding techniques (Glued for consumer models, bolted for commercial models) 3) Feather Strips, which is how the cloth is applied to the cushion 4) Brand examples, like Accufast (Produced by Olhausen) have a high gum-rubber content, usually colored black, without a reverse "C" channel. And, Velocity Rubber (Produced by The C.L. Bailey Co.) which has high gum-rubber content, vulcanized canvas on the back and top, with a reverse "C" channel *which is the hollow area behind some cushions*. 5) Possible features and benefits the different designs might employ, assuming they can be reliably sourced. 6) Differences between billiards, Snooker, and bumper pool cushions

I would also like to restructure the section a little bit, and improve the CLOTH section of the article similarly.

Let me know if anyone has objections. Lets get something from the Cue Sports project as a featured article! Donny417 03:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I got antsy and just took a crack at it. If it sucks, please revert me :). I will add a section that will cover different design and manufacturing techniques, and greatly expand the "Pocket Billiard" table section if thats okay with everyone. Donny417 04:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
oh, one last thing. I don't know how to mess with tables and other HTML type things, so someone is going to have to change that box up at the top of the section. I don't know how to do it yet (that is if I'm not reverted!) :( Donny417 04:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:Cushion Description.JPG
Well, here is a picture I made. I have some of this cushion rubber at my store, so if you need anymore pictures...or really pictures of anything billiard related, let me know. Unfortunately, I'm too dumb to figure out how to stick it in the article and make it look good :( here it is if anyone wants to make it happen Donny417 04:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This isn't really matching the structure of the article too well; it really needs an overhaul (the entire article, I mean). It is in the process of diverging into sections, on each kind of table. I think this process got stalled for no particular reason (it began when Snooker table was merged into the article, and then I think people just got busy with other things and forgot; I know that's my excuse!) I think that before these sections there need to be sections about cushions, pockets, etc. in general that don't go into details, and then the details (K-profile, etc.) appearing in the pool, carom and snooker sections separately, with a lot of redundancy removal (e.g. the snooker section does not need to mention or link to vulcanization.)
Re: the photo, if you go to my user page, there's an "e-mail me" link you can use; after I reply to you you'll have my e-mail address, and if you send the original photo, I can probably make a version that will be more useful in the article. Did you actually take that photo yourself, though? I looks kind of like it came from a catalog or something. If you actually have all this stuff around in your shop, it would probably be really helpful for you to take pics of the different rail profiles in side view, so that the difference in the profiles can seen more clearly. If you put a ruler in the pics off to the side so it can be removed from the pics later, I can probably even re-size the pics to be perfect to-scale matches (either that or a tripod or something would need to be used, and the cushions placed in exactly the same positions for each photo - some means of ensuring that one photo wasn't taken 2 inches closer or whatever, making the scale not match). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 06:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
PS: It didn't suck. Needs some cleanup (see the HTML comments, though some of those are notes for furture to-dos like adding something to WP:CUEGLOSS), but the basic info about the different profiles are important details. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 06:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
PPS: The C-channel needs to be explained (as to both its nature and function), or the L-shaped comment about snooker rails has no context. The other stuff you mentioned adding at the top of the thread sounds like a good plan, too, BTW. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 06:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snooker table/Billiard table

Does anyone mind if I scale down the Snooker section? I think it should really be more of a stub, since Snooker has it's own article. Just a thought Donny417 06:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest that the problem is more that the article is disorganized, and that the pool and carom sections need similar expansion. I think the WikiProject Snooker folks would get upset if information were removed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 06:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


The way this page is organised seems to suggest that snooker tables are not a type of billiard table, due to statements such as:

Compared to a billiards table, snooker table pockets are rounded -shouldn't this be compared to a pool table. Tables that are now refered to as snooker tables were originally used for playing english billiards.

The largest of these sizes, 4.5 ft by 9 ft, is the standard size for tournament play -again should this say "standard size for tournament play in pool"

I realise that in American usage pool tables are usually refered to as billiard tables but shouldn't the article reflect that these are only a type of billiard table. I would try and change the text but thought i'd mention it here first.

Well noted. This messiness is due to a merge (Snooker table was once a separate article). The article hasn't been properly re-written to handle the merge (short version: Needs all the common basic stuff at the top, then then differences explained for carom, pool and snooker tables.) Feel free to work on it! >-) If you're greatly interested in the overall topic you may wish to participate more broadly in WikiProject Cue sports. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pockets openings

The pocket openings of modern standard snooker tables conform to special templates owned and controlled by the Governing Body of World Snooker. These templates are used for the snooker tables used in all professional snooker tournaments. History of Snooker I think this part is worthy to mention in pockets section at some form, because this means one cannot build perfect snooker table without these templates. And therefore we can't have exact measurements of table. Btw, if someone happens to measure professional table with ruler, and write measurements to this section, would it then be copyright infringement? -- Jari Pennanen 2:46, 30 August 2007