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I would like to add quotes, format the text for a discography at the end, and add links. --Thomas Veil 07:11, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC
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[edit] Denny Zeitlin?
I've deleted Denny Zeitlin from the list of pianists influenced by Bill Evans. He seems quite out of place next to commercial successes like Hancock or Corea. If the article were to list unknowns like Zeitlin, it should mention a whole slew of pianists, probably too many to list. 208.37.116.70 20:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Mike
- Hm, well I didn't have any problem with his inclusion, in part because the link is also cemented by Evans' acknowledgement of Zeitlin--DZ's "Quiet Now" was a regular item in Evans' repertoire. I don't think it matters a lot either way, though in many regards Zeitlin or other pianists like Don Friedman are more pertinent in a list of Evans-influenced pianists than Hancock or Corea, where the influence is a lot less obvious/more mediated by their own pronounced stylistic signatures. --ND 04:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Agree with ND. Doctor Denny Zeitlin is a pianist who has good reasons to be mentioned in the list of of pianists influenced by Bill Evans, and the influence was well supported by DZ's own thirty+ recordings, where Zeitlin's harmonic thinking, his voicings, phrasing and accentuations are in synch with Bill Evans's. One does not need even to be a musician, just play Evans's and Zeitlin's albums one after another to realise their apparent connection, as well as each other's originality. Both men knew and respected each other. Denny Zeitlin is a successful medical doctor, whose patiens are also loyal fans of his music, his records are sold out (check your local record store). From an article about Denny Zeitlin: "He is the jazz world’s most visible Renaissance man-- a full time practicing psychiatrist, a medical school teacher, and a world class jazz musician.” (Los Angeles Times). NB! - not to be misunderstood, I never met Dr. Zeitlin (I wish!), as he is extremely busy with his practice, teaching, touring and recordings, albeit his colleagues in California, doctors who know him well, are very fond of him as a doctor, musician and person. I own a few of his CDs, I wish I could get more, but most of his records are sold out. Steveshelokhonov 02:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
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Re-instating the name of Denny Zeitlin in the list of pianists influenced by Bill Evans. Steveshelokhonov 01:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Son?
This fact, or "fact" seems to beg for deletion, or some sort of substantiation, given its vagueness and the denial of the person named: "A little known fact about the artist, he fathered a son (William Bernard Evans) with an unknown woman. His son now lives outside Dallas Texas in the town of McKinney. This son denies any connection to the artist and does not play publicly, but those that have heard him play privately say his talent surpasses that of his father. The son cherishes his privacy and declines all interviews."--Adoorajar 07:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
- Anonymous edit, from an address with a patchy record, no source. I've removed this claim. --Andrew Norman 09:14, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Bill's son is Evan Evans, born 1975. He is a film composer, and is quite proud of his father and his accomplishments. His information is at evanevans.com. He has composed for films such as 'Fear of Clowns' and 'Killers 2'
Phil Brooks
Most of the above comments about Evan Evans and his feelings for his father are very inaccurate - just read personal comments on EE's own website. This informationa and a recent interview with Bill Evans second wife Nanett rather debunks the 'anonymous' and 'little known' tags. JPP --Jppigott 05:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Jppigott: the edit described as "anonymous" concerned a putative son named "William Bernard Evans", not "Evan Evans" (look at the comments above). The latter is well-attested (not least by his father's song "Letter to Evan"!) but the former is not. --ND 13:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Attention!
This article needs attention. Specifically, the discography. There is only one item (Undercurrent). His other albums are mentioned within the body of the article. I'm afraid that if I add them to the discography, the article will become redundant. I am not sure of what to do here. Any ideas?
The article won't become redundent if a seperate discography is created, as you have sucessfully intergrated them into the narrative structure of the article. just create the article Bill Evans Discography
[edit] Mehdau-Evans I believe this information is incorrect
Though Bill Evans' sound has inexorably entered the modern jazz piano language, Brad Mehldau vehemently denies any direct influence by Bill Evans on his playing. In fact, he has been relatively outspoken about the lack of similarity in his and Evans' playing. Mehldau believes that critics are making racial rather than musical judgements when they compare him to Evans.
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- Mehldau might say that but it's a pretty obvious influence if you listen to his music. Harold Bloom could probably explain all this..... ND 04:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
In fact he's more influenced by Keith Jarrett but Mehldau has a sound of his own. As he said, they compare his trio with the one by Bill Evans because it seems obvious when in fact they are very different and he explains it in the liner notes of one of his "Art of the trio" albums. What can't be denied is that the Bill Evans Trio was a reference for a lot of other piano/bass/drums trios and that he was a very talented player. --Joanberenguer 14:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Music speaks stronger than words in this case. However, Mehldau's connection with Evans's musicianship is more apparent in his live performances, than in his more calculated studio recordings. It is not hard to hear that both pianists do share many musical roots, as well as both have equally high level of musicianship and their classical training shows well too. Mehldau has been embracing more current styles and trends, he is evolving faster than Evans did in his time, and his playing may vary more dramatically with different ensembles and settings. While Evans was very deep and confident within his list of favorites, he did not like to go too far outside of his familiar list, style and manner. Mehldau has been demonstrating more freedom experimenting with broader range of styles, various musicians, instruments, etc., and thus his newer compositions may provide enough proof to his statements. Both are great pianist though, and some of their albums sound pretty well connected when played one after another.Steveshelokhonov 03:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Opening
I confess I find the yoking together of Evans, McCoy Tyner & Oscar Peterson in the opening completely bizarre. Peterson may be a fine, popular pianist but in terms of his influence on later players it's fairly modest compared to the vast & inescapable influence of Evans & Tyner. ND 04:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Helen Keane's Pioneering Role?
Helen Keane was the first female manager of a jazz musician? What about Gladys Hampton, the wife of Lionel Hampton? She was his manager throughout his lengthy career.Carlaclaws 06:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Buddy Valentino
The article claims that Evans's interest in jazz began at age 12 filling in for his brother in the Buddy Valentino band. That account is found at the IMDB but is very different from the one given in two other published sources. In one, Evan's big break with Buddy Valentino occurred much later, when he returned to New York to begin his professional career. In other, his interest in jazz began, yes at age 12, but first as a listener, after hearing big band recordings by Tommy Dorsey and Harry James. His first foray in jazz as a musician was as a fill-in pianist in a rehearsal band where his brother played trumpet. His brother Harry was only two years older than Bill--the school story is probably the more correct. Can we get some higher quality reference than IMDB to source the other claim?Professor marginalia 18:05, 4 October 2007
- Accurate fact indeed, and well supported by the Joel Simpson's biography of Bill Evans [1] among other sources. I wrote the IMDb biography for Bill Evans a few years ago, and also contributed to this article in Wikipedia. I studied piano and music history in Leningrad/St. Petersburg, Russia, since the 1960s, and maintained stage performances as my second profession for evenings and concert tours (my day job is medical). Playing arrangements by Bill Evans is an essential part of my daily piano practice routine. This article is improving, and quite a few good people are contributing their time and knowledge to making both IMDb and Wikipedia better.Steveshelokhonov 23:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Style and approach
Davis loved the sound Evans got from the piano. At the time Evans was playing block chords and Davis wrote in his autobiography "Bill had this quiet fire that I loved on piano. The way he approached it, the sound he got was like crystal notes or sparkling water cascading down from some clear waterfall." [...] Evans also penned the heralded liner notes for Kind of Blue, comparing the improvisation of jazz to Zen art.
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[edit] Blue in Green?
This article states that Blue in Green on Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is Bill Evan's composition. Davis denies this as a false rumour in his autobiography. Remove? Orecalimo (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
