Talk:Big Dig (Boston, Massachusetts)

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Due to the increasing length of this discussion board, I have moved posts dated from the first half of 2007 and earlier to the archive pages. Posts started in one year and continued in to the next are located in both archives.

Jeremy (Jerem43 18:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Map?

Map created by Dirk Hillbrecht
Map created by Dirk Hillbrecht

Would it be too much to ask for someone to include a map? Ideally, I would like a map with little detail (i.e., not a street map), but which shows what the major routes were before the Big Dig, and a second map showing how the Big Dig looks now. I mean, all this descriptive information is great, but is meaningless to those of us who live a thousand miles away and have never been to Boston (and yet still helped to pay for it). 68.154.210.100 15:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Map link [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bona Fides (talk • contribs) 14:39, 11 July, 2006 (UTC).
why would this article be deleted?????????????????????????????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.6 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 11 July, 2006 (UTC).
Absolutely agree. Map map map map. A map of relocation of roads is essential to an article like this if somebody from somewhere else in the country wants to see what the "Ted Williams Tunnel" is or what "Callahan Tunnel" means. These are all just names to nonlocals.Loodog 01:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but drawing a map is not easy. Masspike has a nice one, but can we use it? The Massachusetts Archives states that "Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use," but is the Turnpike Authority the "Massachusetts government"? Geoff.green 22:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The MTA is a "quasi-public" entity within the Commonwealth. [2] In my opinion, that qualifies their documents for use. --Raj Fra 18:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Map map map map....--Loodog 00:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
If you want a map, draw one. I did (top). (moved by Jeremy (Jerem43 18:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)))
--Dirk Hillbrecht 23:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
However, It is unfortunate that the first map is incorrect. The traffic over the tobin Bridge connected to I-93 southbound to get to westbound Storrow Drive. The map Dirk made indicated that the tobin bridge traffic exited Route 1 in chelsea and followed surface streets to Storrow drive, which just isn't the case, and never was. --Ezra Horne (4 November 2007) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.94.78.146 (talk) 07:31, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Damn nice drawing, if any one has not told you yet: thank you very much - Jerem43 18:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
"...and yet still helped to pay for it." Perhaps this needs to be clarified in the article. The Dig was federally funded like most other major highway projects. The money that went to the Dig came out of Massachusetts' available Federal highway spending. The feds did allow spending against future federal allocations--the result being that Dig payments are still coming out of Massachusetts' Federal funding, and will continue to for about another decade. The project is part of the normal redistribution of transportation dollars between states, not some sort of free gift to Massachusetts.--Jnik 21:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Zakim Bridge design

The predominate feature of the bridge that makes it unique from other cable-stayed bridges is in Christian Menn's asymmetrical design of the structure. Here is a better explanation of the features that set it apart from its other cable-stayed brethren:

  1. The two piers of the bridge are pentagonal, or five sided, with the main deck running through the center. Most other cable-stayed bridges are "I"-shaped with two road decks on either side of the piers, or they are "A"- or "H"-shaped with the road deck running through the center.
  2. The bridge's road deck has an asymmetrical design with the north-bound entry ramp from the Sumner Tunnel riding on the exterior, east side of the bridge. This feature makes it the widest cable-stayed bridge in the world at 10 traffic lanes and 5 breakdown lanes.
  3. The two obelisks that adorn the top of the two towers were engineered to reflect the design of the Bunker Hill Monument in nearby Charlestown, MA.
  4. The cables are laid out in an asymmetrical pattern, the cables on the outside of the tower anchor in the center of the road deck while the inner cables attach to the outer side of the road deck.


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"I"-shaped          "H"-shaped       "A"-shaped        The Zakim

[edit] Map

Is there anyone who could provide a map of the changes between the roads before the Big Dig and the patterns after the Big Dig? --myselfalso 21:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Also Cambridge is incorrectly labeled. It is south of I93. The area labeled as Cambridge is Charleston. --Dorazine (talk) 14:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of existing infrastructure

The article suggests that the project was completed in January 2006, however while there is plenty of talk of the construction, there is no mention of the removal of the existing infrastructure that the Big Dig was meant to replace. Can someone add content that speaks to this? --Tfitzg 23:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessments

I assessed this article as a B for Boston and Massachusetts WikiProjects. It is well written, has adequate sources and confirms to the WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and WP:Cite Guidelines. I upgraded it from Start to B for the US Highways WikiProject as that it was more than Start class IMHO. - Jeremy (Jerem43 19:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

I also added and assessment for the US Interstate WikiProject for the reasons listed above. - Jeremy (Jerem43 19:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Merge proposal

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

It has become clear that the consensus for this merger is Oppose, there for I am closing it.

-Jeremy (Jerem43 17:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC))

It has been proposed that the article Thomas P. O'Neill Jr. Tunnel be merged with this one, please discuss here. Tag date 26 October, 2007.

  • Oppose - The Big Dig was the project and the Thomas P. O'Neill Jr. Tunnel was a result of the project, two related but different articles. Similar to wanting to merge the United States presidential election, 2004 article with the George W. Bush article. - Jeremy (Jerem43 00:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC))
  • Oppose for the same reason given above. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - We'd need to merge in at least the Williams, City Square tunnel, and Rose Kennedy Greenway as well, plus (depending on where you draw the line), Greenbush, Red/Blue connector, etc. --Jnik 19:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment For goodness sake with all these articles related to the Big Dig I wonder if a template should be made to cross link these articles. Sawblade05 (talk to me | my wiki life) 08:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Though I wonder if in decades to come, the individual structures will have become better known than their parent. Let's bring this up again , say, 2015. Sfahey 16:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mhs logo.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


Fixed --- Jeremy (talk) 17:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)