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[edit] Genre (Again)

I see there is some editing going on. Despite this in the code: DO NOT CHANGE GENRE, DISCUSS IN TALK. ANY GENRE EDIT WITHOUT PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WILL BE DELETED things are not being discussed. So I’ll start the discussion.
The main struggle seems to be the genres mathcore and progressive metal.

Lets compare BTBAM to mathcore bands: I think typical mathcore bands are August Burns Red, Ion Dissonance, PsyOpus, in other words: very aggressive and chaotic bands playing complex music.

Lets compare BTBAM to progressive Metal bands: I think typical PM bands are Dream Theater, Symphony X, Queensrÿche, bands that took progressive rock from the 70’s and made it more harsh sounding by incorporating heavy metal/thrash metal into their music.

I think BTBAM don’t sound like any of these bands. They play a lot of complex things but they don’t sound as chaotic as mathcore bands. They have progressiveness in their music but they don’t do 8 minute solo’s (but I think they are influenced by 70’s progressive rock, (that doesn’t make them progressive metal)).

The thing BTBAM do is making a collage of musical styles they like. Almost every part they play makes me think of a specific (metal) genre. They play (melodic) death metal, grindcore, metalcore, black metal and more sparingly I hear some heavy metal, alternative rock, blues rock, groove metal, on Alaska even some viking metal :). So if you ask me, I’d say they’re mainly death metal, grindcore, metalcore with a lot of influences like black metal, alternative rock, progressive rock, thrash metal

In fact they made it really easy for us by releasing The Anatomy Of (even the name implies that the artists on that album are what BTBAM ‘is made of’). It showcases a set of bands they like and are influenced by. Amongst them are 70’s progressive rock bands (King Crimson, Pink Floyd), thrash metal bands (Sepultura, Metallica) and a lot of 90’s alt. rock/grunge bands (Blind Melon, Faith No More, The Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden)

Please discus, hopefully we’ll agree on this. Emmaneul 07:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smashing Pumpkins?

Even though it is cited, I don't think saying that the keyboard sounds like it should be on a Smashing Pumpkins cd. This sounds more like a review than an encyclopedia. I am going to remove that.--Wick3dd (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grunge?

What influence do they take from grunge?68.4.212.158 17:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at their 'The Anatomy Of' album. They cover Soundgarden, a grunge band. Smashing Pumpkins is sometimes labeled as grunge and so is Blind Melon (see Allmusic.com). These may not be 100% grunge bands but BTBAM are clearly influenced by bands popular in the grunge era. That's why there's a slash in "alternative rock/grunge". Emmaneul 01:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Stop adding Deathcore twice

In the following text deathcore is mentioned twice. That's wrong.

"Between the Buried and Me is a progressive metalcore/deathcore quintet from Raleigh, North Carolina whose music also displays significant influence from deathcore and jazz."

a progressive metalcore/deathcore is a deathcore influenced band. It's obsolete to state their significant influence is deathcore. It's also obvious mathcore, or whatever metal(core) genre is an influence because "progressive metalcore/deathcore" implies this.

The second part of the sentence is meant to state BTBAM's NON-metalcore/deathcore influences (hence the word ALSO). So don't add deathcore twice. I'll put alternative rock/grunge back instead of deathcore. Why? read what I have written above. Not only 'The Anatomy Of' but several other sources make clear they have Smashing Pumpkins (and other) influences

Like this part of a review (from allmusic) "The metal take on things can seemingly change in a flash as lead singer Tommy Rogers fleshes out his vocals and utilizes the keyboards to create something that sounds more like it should be on a Smashing Pumpkins album."

Thank you. Emmaneul 04:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre...

I seemed to be part of a genre edit war in this Wiki page. The only reason I put Prog. Deathcore/Metalcore since Metal Archives mentioned it. I belived it's somewhat the closest thing to an correct metal information website. But now, I don't really mind if it's either tech (by Dexter prog) or prog, just at least have a genre that seems closest to what their music actually is.

AKnot 01:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

So now it does not have a genre? The reason I edited it is because the band isn't progressive metal (Metal archives have several mistakes and they don't pay too much attention to the genres, they only care if it is metal or not). Anyway, most of this band's fans will still believe it is progressive just because they shred, play in x/8 and use armonizations, so I won't mind editing it again. -- Dexter prog 21:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Technicality has nothing to do with progressiveness in music. [Steve M]
Wrong, go read the Progressive metal article. Notice the mention of "complex compositional structures, odd time signatures, and intricate instrumental playing" and "Some progressive metal bands are also influenced by jazz fusion music" And also the mention of "longer songs", which Between the Buried and me have. Though I am not saying that BTBAM are progressive, I am saying that technicality has something to do with being "Progressive" Zanders5k 00:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Genre

Between the Buried and Me is easily defined as deathcore/metalcore. They share traits similar to that of bands like The Black Dahlia Murder, The Faceless, and As Blood Runs Black. And they also share metalcore traits with the softer sections in some of their songs. They are not grind, they are not trash, and they are not black metal. They may have been influenced by bands of those genres, but they are another genre all their own, which is primarily deathcore/metalcore

(unsigned?)
If you could find any sources, that would be helpful. Like I said before "The thing BTBAM do is making a collage of musical styles they like." The grindcore parts and influences are very clear on their first album, listen to it and you'll probably acknowlegde.
I did some research:
Some sources:
last.fm death metal hardcore mathcore melodic death metal metal metalcore progressive metal seen live
metal-archives Progressive Metalcore
allmusic Alternative Metal, Hardcore Punk, Thrash, Death Metal/ Black Metal
rockdetector Death Metal, Metalcore, Metal
metal-observer:Progressive Death Metal, Progressive Metal, Metalcore
summary:
death metal 111
melodic death metal 1
progressive metalcore 1
progressive death metal 1
progressive metal 11
hardcore 11
mathcore 1
metalcore 111
alt metal 1
thrash 1

top 3
total “progressive” 4
total “death metal” 5
total “metalcore” 4

So I'd say they're progressive metal, death metal, metalcore, no deathcore/grindcore unless good scources can be found. I'll change the genres, until (better) sources prove something else
Emmaneul 12:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what idiotic websites/magazines say, their NOT death metal. Use your ears. XXMurderSoulXx (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Sigh..Wikipedia is not about ears and POV, it is about those idiotic websites and magazines. On a side note, I listen to plenty of death metal and this band easily qualifies. Why are they so hard to classify? They switch genres quickly. In your mind what defines death metal? Blast beats, death grunts, and the like? BTBAM uses all of those, they just hop between genres a lot.--Wick3dd (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


They are progressive death metal by instrumental standards. The fact that Tommy sings in a few songs does not make it "metalcore", unless you would like to label Opeth that as well. The instrumentals are not reminiscent of hardcore, but that of metal, meaning that it does not belong in metalcore OR deathcore. Use your ears, but analyze better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.111.184 (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre WTF?

who changed BTBAM to "Alternative/pop rock"? its obvious they are not, with all of the notable sources... i reverted the edit. hopefully it'll stay that way.Guitar freak91 (talk) 04:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Briggs

The link to his own page just reloads to the BTBAM page. Either remove the link or create a page for him (pref. the latter since he is also in other bands)... Planningaprisonbreak (talk) 01:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)