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I have made some corrections, but this article clearly needs a refreshed focus: this article could potentially give a reader information about the architecture and use of study halls

1)the words structure, insitution, serves are used improperly 2)is a "characteristic" BM supposed to be a typical one? Most BMs have far more books than that 3)the comment about the probable location of study in the time of the Mishna is conjecture 4)this is a dictionary entry? the part about yeshiva is unnecessary. The reference to BMs changing roles is an anachronism, at least in the US. That is more reflective of the situation in pre-WW2 Europe. 5)should Jewish laws about the study hall be included?

Econapl 19:13, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. -Andrew c [talk] 15:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Should it not be writen "Bait Midrash" or like the ashkenazi pronounciation "Bais Misdrash" Actictecture is nonexistent, as many have been set up basments, and in shuls they have no real design. Bais Midrash have as many book as they can afford, from a few chumashim two tweny sets of shash. THe laws are not inportant, as many are obvious.

Bait, Beit, Beis, Beth -- Discuss. -- Avi 19:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Beit midrash, clearly. Having no prejudice against the Ashkenazi pronounciation, this spelling is the most commonly used, as a Google search reveals. The current spelling is archaic and hardly used today in non-historical contexts.--DLandTALK 19:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Beit midrash common Hebrew pronounciation spoken my most Hebrew speakers, not a dialect. Beis is only spoken by ashkenazi (of which I am) and frankly, a minority in the world of Hebrew speakers. --Shuki 20:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Beis Medrash is more commonly used when speaking, seeWP:NC(CN)--Shuli 18:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • This discussion seems kind of irrelevant, seeing as the two of us are the only ones discussing, but regardless - you have no source that "Beis medrash" is more commonly used colloquially. It seems clear to me that the opposite is true: "beit midrash" is more commonly used when speaking (specifically by most Modern Orthodox and Religious Zionist Jews) and I have Google on my side. (And just to point out that I have no conflict of interest as I suspect you do, I personally say "Beis medrash") --DLandTALK 19:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Beis/Beit midrash is fine with me. Both are better than the current version. I personally prefer 'beis', but I have to agree with DLand. Most of the world, unfortunately, does not use Ashkenazi Hebrew. In any case it is 'ei', not 'ai'. --Bear and Dragon 13:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose There is really nothing wrong with the present title. These debates about the 'correct name' are quite sterile. Let's leave things as they are. (Personally I say beismedresh—so what?) And, what most Hebrew speakers say is totally irrelevant, since this is the English Wikipedia, not the Hebrew WP! --Redaktor 22:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
    • What is wrong with the current title is that it is archaic and unused. "Beit midrash" is what most English speakers say/write. Personally, I say "beis medresh" as well - that doesn't change my opinion of what is appropriate for Wikipedia.--DLandTALK 02:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
  • How can you you possibly know what most English speakers say/write. I would actually dispute that statement, when you consider that chareidi publications (which cannot be counted by Google) do not write Beit midrash, and indeed many of the uses of Beit Midrash on the web are institutions far removed from those described in this article. --Redaktor 13:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
    • That's possible theoretically, but you can't show that definitively. When the sources that exist are incomplete, you have to go by what does exist, not by speculation. Either way, I think we can agree that the current title is not the best one.--DLandTALK 21:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep it at Beth. Most common latinization IMO. -- Y not? 18:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.