Talk:Berbers and Islam

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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) There's a fair amount of information but few links, some poor spelling/typing, and maybe some bias

[edit] POV Problem

This article is terribly written with a clear POV problem. For example, the opening assertion about Berbers being forciably converted to Islam is at best not supported by standard scholarship on the penetration of Islam in North Africa^{[citation needed]} (as opposed to the issue of military conquest as such by Arab armies for much of, but certainly not all, of the Maghreb. Desperately needs clean up. collounsbury 16:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I share the same concerns and agree w/ the tag. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 20:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Good, glad I am not alone. Very queer POV, really, needs a good once over. collounsbury 20:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

It is a bit more complicated. putting "citation needed" won't solve it. Because, it is a question of some seconds to find ten ones. I advice, to avoid the conclusions. Because they are not always trustable. Best regards! Read3r 17:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Mate, I have not the slightest clue as to what the bloody hell the above is supposed to mean. There is no question that the opening asserting, and indeed the entire article is full of claims that are utterly unsupported by neutral scholarship on the subject. Period. collounsbury 17:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

It is just a question of knowledge. However, the article seems to me be inneutral. (Like using "unfortunately", which is not allowed in objective articles). Best regards! Read3r 17:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll be bold and start enhancing the article by dealing w/ those neutrality bugs. I'll go slowly so we can work it out together. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your initiative. I only wanted to state that i'm a bit busy, and therefore, i cannot review the article with you. I hope collounsbury does. Best regards! Read3r 13:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

A big problem with this article is that it states that Berbers practiced paganism before 1965. I have never met a Berber (and I am one!) that practiced paganism. What happened in 1965? This article seems to be based on a lot of nonsense and either nationalistic drivel or simple made up beliefs. Not only does this article need "Clean up" it needs deletion. Whoever wrote it seems to know very little about the subject. Khaled.

I don't think there were pagan practices from the twelve centery after Christus. What can be said is that the pagan practices remained being mixed or interepretted with islamic spirituality. Read3r 12:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"Pagan" is a dicey term at best, and should not be used in an encyclopaedia without some serious qualifications. The term has an Abrahamic or Christian bias. Try "animist", "shamanist", "polytheist", "pantheist", etc etc. Kentfx.