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Some say his clock was the fihttp://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_sig.png Your signature with timestamprst all-American[1] but David Rittenhouse may have beaten him to it.[2] Kwantus 19:05, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC) == they are WRONG ==
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[edit] The first all-American-made wood clock
At age 22, in the mid-1750s, Banneker created the first all-American-made wood clock of this colonial region. --Da Stressor 15:27, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There are still textbooks, kid's books etc. that have BB as MAKING THE FIRST CLOCK. He did invent the first clock by an African-American.
--- But the pocketwatch he studied at age 21 to make his wooden clock would not have been owned by the Andrew Ellicot linked in the article - check the dates of birth. We need to find out whose watch it really was or remove naming entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.190.117 (talk) 06:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wooden Clocks
The clock mechanisms were all made of metal in Europe during the time in question. Banneker made his mechanism ENTIRELY from wood.
The first African-American Man of Science" ISBN 0-938420-63-1.
truthfully this is all bull
To the coment of "bull" written above, America Observe, people like this still live. There are people who are threatened by any meaningful accomplishments contributed by black people. Shame. Tom 5/3/06
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Wrong Andrew Ellicott cited (too young to have participated in events listed by date.) Probably could be this A.Ellicott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Ellicott_%281733_-_1809%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.190.117 (talk) 09:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sally Hemings
"It would later be discovered that Jefferson himself perferred the company of one of his own slaves (Sally Hemings).
- Maybe one of the most absurd statements ever made on wikipedia, and totally unnecessary here. It has never been proved the Jefferson "preferred the company" of Hemings, not that their "descendents survive today." Total rubbish. BulldogPete 02:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Bulldog you need to get out more. Not only is it accepted by the family, they are now having joint reunions and there's been a movie made on their relationship starring Nick Nolte. It's titled "Jefferson in Paris". Check it out. It's a good flick. There have also been extensive DNA studies performed.
Martha Jefferson died in 1782.
Thomas Jefferson was sent as American envoy to France in 1784.
Sally, who was born c. 1773, would have been no more than 14 or 15 when she went to France in 1787.
Martha (née Wayles) was most likely Sally's half-sister.
Benjamin Bannker was an African American. His grandfather was an African slave, and his grandmother was a European. His father was African American, and his mother--although biracial or "half white"--she would have also been considered African American. Benjamin Banneker was three-fourths African American, and therefore considered African American. He also identified himself as African American.
[edit] This is a terrible article.
Sounds like it came from a book designed to "empower" young black kids.
Reference proving BB was "one of the most famous" persons in Early America? I rather expect he was obscure at best.
Citation for the Jefferson quote? BulldogPete
One cannot be a presidential appointee in obscurity. Bulldog you will never be able to erase Bannekers accomplishments. This article wasn't designed to empower young black kids. Empowerment and self worth as well as knowledge of ones place in history is of course the outgrowth of this article. Slander as you will, you will never be able to remove from history that which actually occurred. You will never be able to unprint the almanacs or remove their record of existence. You will never be able to remove his name from the team that designed Wash D.C. You'll just have to live with it. Tom 06/09/06
[edit] Astrologer?
Was Banneker an astrologer? It seems that he was if he wrote almanacs (e.g., Ben Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanac, filled with astrological lore) and compiled ephemeri, because both are used in astrological prediction or in constructing astrological charts or natal charts. Astrology and astronomy were very much one and the same during Banneker's day, so it seems that he was an astrologer as well as an astronomer. There is also some info that suggests that Washington DC was planned with certain astrological principles in mind (according to some sources), and Banneker helped with the layout of DC, as is well known. I'll do some research and possibly add this information in soon. --172.147.89.38 22:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of copyright violation
On Nov. 10, User:Theduce91 replaced most of the text of this article with a cut-and paste from a copyrighted site, Notable Biographies, in this edit. They even included "Reproduced by permission of Fisk University Library" for an image that wasn't actually there.
I realize that a lot of work has been done to wikify and edit this material, but the only way I could see to get rid of the copyright violation was to restore the old version of those sections. I didn't revert the park and memorial section or anything after it, since those weren't part of the cut-and-paste. —Celithemis 05:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] grahams?
"Benjamin Banneker's mother was Mary Bannaky (1710–?). Oral tradition states that her mother was a Caucasian named Molly Welsh, who was supposedly accused of stealing milk and grahams and sent from England to the colonies as punishment."
Do you mean...graham crackers? Zigzig20s 16:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was going to maker a similar point. We have only just got Graham crackers in the UK, we certaiinly didn't have them back then. So what do you mean? A type of biscuit? (cookie in US Eng) Bread? Grahams is a nonsense in the context of the article. 86.134.47.40 09:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up of subtle vandalism
This article seems to attract vandalism... a lot of it is obvious, but some was quite subtle. I found quite a few factual inaccuracies (such as calling Andrew Ellicott a "lost traveling salesman") which I have removed. However, I am sure there is more that I have missed (I know the period well, but not Banneker's details in particular). The article needs to be completely checked for accuracy and subtle vandalism.Blueboar 18:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Banneke.jpg
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BetacommandBot 14:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] mess.
i deleted the part that claimed the Frederick Douglas "who lived close by" edited the letter that BB wrote to thomas jefferson because BB died before Douglas was born. I'm going to include some of the info from the "about.com" page on BB to make this article more credible. maybe we can get the African American History expert from About.com to verify/fix the information in this article.
[edit] mess 2.0
I removed the statement that Molly Welsh was not the ancestor of Benjamin Banneker because this point is disputed by other genealogists who show that the daughter of Molly Welsh, Mary Welsh, was brought before Baltimore County court for having a Mulatto child. Please see Paul Heinegg's webpage: http://freeafricanamericans.com/Adams-Butler.htm for the Banneker Family, this information disputes the Genealogical Society's article and therefore this information should be removed as stated because it gives the impression that the Banneker's oral history is fabricated and therefore seems to be an attempt to discredit his significance to history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.2.150.73 (talk) 14:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
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