Talk:Belgian beer

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Here is the list of breweries (that looks quite comprehensive) from List of breweries, an otherwise useless article that I think should be deleted. Justinc 14:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just had a look at List of breweries. It's almost a meta-category at this point. Waitak 13:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] List of Belgian beers

Shouldn't it be appropriate to include a list of Belgian beers? This webpage http://www.dma.be/p/bier/1_11.htm lists the 1547 brands

Yeah, i think it would be appropriate to do so (in a separate article of course, like a List of Belgian beers that we could for example split by province or by brewery). It is a good idea, but be careful with the lists you find on the web since the "real" list changes from year to year. Furthermore, on the website you give, the diacritics is systematically removed from the beer names. I had some great lists of beers on the net but it's just like i lost it. I could find it back in a few days. Anyway, to begin with this list, we should wait to have at least one more list to compare with. Keep up the good work. Julien Tuerlinckx 12:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bush

Could someone who's more knowledgeable than I am add a page on Bush, please? I think that a reference to the controversy over the name with Anheuser Busch would also be interesting to the readers. (Bush is a wonderful, strong beer brewed by Dubuisson, for those poor, poor souls who've never had the privilege...) Waitak 13:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

After revisiting the Dubuisson page, I've made a redirect from Bush (beer) to Brasserie Dubuisson Frères. Waitak 13:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brabant ale

Brabant needs to be added by someone who knows something about it. — goethean ॐ 15:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? Brabant is a province in Belgium (and the Netherlands). What is the beer reference? Mikebe 20:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I was referring to a style of beer called 'Brabant ale'. — goethean ॐ 20:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I live in the Netherlands and think I am quite familiar with Belgian beer, but I have never heard of a Brabant ale. Can you please name at least one beer in this style? Mikebe 08:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but it is a US microbrew. Domain DuPage by Two Brothers Brewing. The brewer says that he lived in Brabant and he tried to recreate it when he returned home. — goethean ॐ 15:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It looks like Rare Vos by Brewery Ommegang is also a US-made Brabant ale[1]. — goethean ॐ 15:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I suspect that 'Brabant ale' is an American invention. As I said, I have never heard of it in Belgium and the two beers you mention are both American. Furthermore, 'ale' is not a Belgian beer style (by name) and is very rarely used in the name of Belgian beers. You might try to do a little research before posting requests like this in the future. Mikebe 18:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The first sentence of the article

The first sentence of the article is outragously false. Take the union of the collection of beligian beers with the collection of british beers; that collection is necessarily more numerous and varied than the collection of the belgian beers. That's to illustrate the point that it's absolutely false and should be changed.

A second very important point is that belgian beer is probably not more numerous and varried than american beer. There are over 3,000see below breweries in america, of which all but about 40 are craft breweries. This first claim of the article heartily needs substantiation in the face of this fact. --philosofool 21:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Let me add to the previous points:

  • there are about 130 breweries in Belgium today.
  • there were 1451 craft breweries in the U.S. as of 2005; 1415 were craft breweries. This statement serves to correct my own mistake above.

philosofool 03:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style vs. country overview

Judging by the article, Belgian beer isn't a style, as there seems to be a wide number of native and imported styles produced in the country. I think the article should be moved out of the beer style category and the styles that redirect here should be developed into full articles if they are significant, and deleted if they aren't. Thetrick 01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The German beer article strikes me as a good model to follow.

Thetrick 02:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

This article has used American spelling since its third day of existance when it became a non-stub. Please read WP:ENGVAR section "Retaining the existing variety" before making wholesale spelling changes to an article with a long history of consistently using a single spelling varient.

Also the web site for "De Koninck beer" spells it "Koninck". VMS Mosaic 21:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Per our discussion on your talk page, the assertion that this article has used American spelling since it stopped being a stub is false as it was inconsistent and full of misspellings then, just as it was full of inconsistency as of 17 July 2007, the version before I edited it. Claiming that this article has a long history of consistently using a single spelling variant is just ignoring what was in the article at that point. Further, it seems a bit much for someone who misspells 'existence' and 'variant' to comment on anyone else's spelling. Not only that, I corrected the spelling of "De Koninck" from "De Konninck" and accusing me of being the one who introduced the misspelling is just wrong. MKoltnow 21:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for the 'Koninck' issue. I apparently got my edit pages out of order. I am not as careful with spelling when editing on talk pages, so I do tend to make some mistakes. Unless I missed something other than the non-variant misspellings, I see no distinctly British spellings on the first non-stub page. The only words I see which have distinct British variants are 'license' and 'flavor', both of which are spelled the American way. In any case, I have better things to do, so since you appear to believe strongly that the correct spelling variant is British, I will not revert it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VMS Mosaic (talk • contribs).
Actually I could not care less which variant of English is used, as long as it is consistent. I just objected to the revert and poor rationale associated therewith. Thank you for the apology. I will bury the hatchet. MKoltnow 22:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
It took me a while to get back to this, but I finally made the spelling consistent. VMS Mosaic 22:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Acquisition of Belgian beer in America

I think that moving this reference to the "international" section from the "Belgian Outlets" section is an edit which is very reasonable. For some reason, this edit, among others, was reverted. If no one can explain why, I will go ahead and put my recasted version back in the international section. MKoltnow 22:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up needed

This article needs a major overhaul. It currently reads like an opinionated piece of original research with very little sourcing. Considering the amount that has been written on Belgian beers I would have thought someone interested in the subject would take the time to do the needed research and make a decent stab at this rather than let it continue in this opinionated state! SilkTork *SilkyTalk 19:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)