Talk:Beauty and the Beast (Disney song)

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This article underwent an AfD with a result of speedy keep; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beauty and the Beast (song from the 1991 film). CanadianCaesar Cæsar is turn’d to hear 05:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of this article

According to WP:SONGS, if there is more than one song article with a title then disambiguate by putting the artist name in the title to make '<song name> (<artist name> song)', for example "Because (The Beatles song)". So the correct title is Beauty and the Beast (Celine Dion and Peabo Bryson song). Reverted. Max24 21:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

"Celine Dion and Peabo Bryson song" is still not appropriate; they did not write the song and did not record the best-known, most important, or unique first version. I'll move it to "Menken and Ashman song", which is what it is. I think "Disney song" would probably be better yet, since that's what it's best known for. AJD 02:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Again, according to WP:SONGS, if there is more than one song article with a title then disambiguate by putting the artist name in the title to make '<song name> (<artist name> song)', for example "Because (The Beatles song)". NOT "Because (Lennon and McCartney song)"! And Celine Dion and Peabo Bryson recorded THE BEST-KNOWN first version of this song. Their single reached Top 10 in the U.S. and the UK. They won a Grammy Award for Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal with this song. And it's one of their signature songs. I'm changing the name of this article again. Max24 16:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Best-known version of the song? The version performed by Angela Lansbury was in a film that was seen by tens of millions of people in 1991 alone and won an Academy Award, and occurs very memorably during the movie itself (rather than over the forgettable end credits). The Dion-Bryson cover of the song may have been a bigger commercial success at the time, but I see no reason to believe that it's better-known now, or more influential on future recordings of the song (such as that by Beth Fowler), or more important or more "original" than the performance of the song in the movie. There's no useful sense in which Dion and Bryson are "the artist" of this song and Angela Lansbury isn't. (Also: Why isn't this showing up on my watchlist? Does it have something to do with the repeated moves, or is there a bug?) AJD 05:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I saw your WP:3O request, and I'd like to give my opinion.

I think this is a case of overapplication of guidelines. Guidelines are just that -- strong suggestions. They're made to be applied when they make sense, and set aside when they don't. Max: sure, WP:SONGS says that a song should be named after the most famous performer and not the writer, but then why isn't Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) named Symphony No. 5 (Vienna Philharmonic)? On the other hand, AJD: it's not really an Angela Lansbury song. She just happened to sing it in the movie. The Dion version isn't really a cover, as it was on the original press.

I don't think it makes sense to name this article after any performer or the writer. Why? Because few people are likely to come looking for the article under that title. On the other hand, I imagine that every single person who has ever heard the song knows that it's from a Disney song. How many people actually know the writers and artists behind various Disney movies? Rather few, I believe. (Sure, everyone knows that Elton John did the soundtrack for the Lion King, but who did the soundtrack for Pinocchio?)

In my opinion, Beauty and the Beast (Disney song) is the most correct title for this article. In fact, multiple versions are discussed all on the same level in this article, so to name it after a particular one would be misleading. - Che Nuevara 10:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you entirely, Che. I wasn't actually contending that Angela Lansbury should be used to disambiguate; just that she has as strong a claim on it as Dion & Bryson do. I'll very happily move it to "Beauty and the Beast (Disney song)", but I'll wait a bit to give Max24 time to respond. AJD 15:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I have moved the page to "Beauty and the Beast (Disney song)." Thanks. Max24 16:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restructuring

Hey. I stumbled upon this page after seeing it listed on WP:3O, but I see that an opinion has already been given. (Sidenote: I agree with Che's opinion.) Anyway, this article needs to be restructured, and I thought I'd post here before doing it myself. Issues:

  • The introduction is way too long.
  • The audio sample and image are placed awkwardly, and the text gets shifted all over the place.

Ideally, the introduction would be factored into a section about the different versions, and the part about its success could be shifted to work with the awards section. I'd be happy to work with everyone here to get that fixed. What do all of you think? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 14:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, fix it. I will check it later. Thanks. Max24 16:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Done. What do you think? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 14:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks mostly reasonable, except I moved the synopsis of the song itself to the introduction. AJD 14:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 15:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)