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[edit] Bobby McFerrin

Surely Bobby McFerrin must be credited for his contributions and publicity of the artform very early on - in the late 1980's. The following text is from the Wikipedia article on Bobby McFerrin: He is known ... for his ability to use his voice to create sound effects and in vocal percussion, like his recreation of a bass and drums simultaneously, which he achieves by singing while tapping on his chest. Ackerjerr (talk) 21:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable phrase

which many consider the fifth element - what does this mean? RickK 21:24, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

The fith element of hiphop... beatboxing which comes after graffiti spraying, DJing, MCing, and breakdancing. ~ bbglas007 14:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of "beat box"?

What exactly is a "dildo cannon"? Is it dayna? A sara clollice? A cannon that shoots dildos? you will never know, it could be all of the above for I know of. — mjb 18:49, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I always thought it was a drum machine, non? Onlyemarie 19:59, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
But does that usage originate from somewhere else? — mjb 20:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I found the following on a human beatboxing forum:
"The term 'beat box' was used as slang for the non-programmable drum machines that were first called rhythm machines. For example, the Roland TR Rhythm Series such as the TR-33, TR-55 that were produced in 1972. Later it was used to refer to a particular line of drum machines - particularly the Roland CR and the later TR series with the Roland CR-78 appearing in 1978.
However, the first rhythm machine was the Wurlitzer Sideman that was made between 1959 and 1964, and this did come in a large box - so it's possible that the term "beat box" was used to refer to this machine."
Onlyemarie 20:14, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Oohh, check it out. I found a better reference, The Oxford Dictionary of New Words, for which I will provide some free advertising — mjb 21:02, 5 May 2005 (UTC) …
     beat box  noun Also written beat-box or beatbox (Music) (Youth Culture)
     
             In colloquial use among musicians, a drum machine (an electronic
             device for producing a variety of drum-beats and percussion
             sounds as backing for music or rapping: see rap); hence a style
             of music with a throbbing electronic drum-beat which often also
             accompanies interludes of rapping. Also, another name for a
             ghetto blaster.
             
             Etymology:  Formed by compounding: a box which produces the
             beat.
             
             History and Usage:  The beat box, which is essentially a
             percussion synthesizer, became a popular alternative to the
             conventional drum kit during the early eighties, when
             synthesized sounds in general opened up new possibilities for
             many bands. It was really the increased popularity of rap and
             its spread outside the Black music scene that led to the
             development of a distinct style of music called beat box by the
             mid eighties. A beat box is an expensive piece of equipment, so
             it is perhaps not surprising that some youngsters tried to
             imitate the sound without actually using a beat box; this led to
             the development of a new action noun beatboxing, the activity of
             making percussion noises like those of a beat box using only
             one's mouth and body.
             
                 How do you compare an album like that to...the sparse
                 beat-box music and intensely engaging call-and-response
                 served up by today's leading rap group, Run-D.M.C.?
                 
                 New York Times 9 Jan. 1985, section C, p. 14
                 
                 Booming out of beat boxes on the street and bounced to
                 in aerobics classes, the 'Big' beat sounds like the next
                 equal-play anthem for American women.
                 
                 Washington Post 19 Mar. 1985, section C, p. 1
                 
                 They usurp rap and beatbox, scratching their own
                 frequently wild guitar marks on top.
                 
                 Q Mar. 1989, p. 72
I don't think that Justin Timberlake is verifiably credible for spreading the art of Beatboxing; Artists like Bobby McPherrin have done much more in that direction.
^----It's Bobby McFerrin not McPherrin. Justin Timberlake played a major role in exposing the art of beatboxing to a wider audience. Angelicmusic 23:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom

I noticed that the 'United Kingdom' section was generally a mess and did my best to copy-edit and clean it up. I know almost nothing about beatboxing, so I would appreciate it if someone more knowledable could look the edits over and possibly cite some sources. --Ethethlay 08:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Backbeat diagram and SBN

Is this traditional notation diagram at the top of the article really nescessary? It looks awkward and silly and isn't very meaningful; it would also give an unaquainted person the idea that beatboxing is just pronounciation of "boom boom chick" in english, rather than reproducing sounds. I have removed it and edited the definition.

I also don't think SBN is important enough to warrant such a major inclusion right at the top of the article; beat boxing notation is not widely accepted. I have moved this reference to the "Internet Presence" section of the article and removed the link to a specific forum page, which requires registration to view. It should be noted that this whole section stinks of advertisement for humanbeatbox.com and should probably be replaced. --Kineticturtle 07:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPA transcription?

Is it possible to represent the production of sounds using the phonetic sciences or by IPA? I'm just intrigued, since this is a phonetic curiosity. John Riemann Soong 07:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would be. I'm a beatboxer and a linguistics student, and I've considered using the IPA as a method of transcribing beatboxes, or at least a base method since many of the sounds are not part of normal human speech. I'll consider writing an article about it Dr-ring-ding 17:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I wrote something along these lines a while ago: http://www.mcld.co.uk/beatboxalphabet/ - but the big problem is that, as mentioned above, many of the sounds, and especially the important aspects of the sounds that differentiate them and make them realistic, aren't covered by the IPA. So you can use IPA as a base, but it's not necessarily the clearest or most compact way of representing things. (For example, many beatbox tonal sounds involve the lips, tongue, and voice, so a decent IPA transcription would have to involve two or three symbols connected together using tie-bars.) --mcld (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Imiterio Ruiz

What is the source for this information? On Humanbeatbox.com the origins of beatboxing are seen in more African culture, from Jazz music to barbershop quartets. See http://www.humanbeatbox.com/The_History_of_Beatboxing/p2_articleid/27 for more info. 165.123.174.163 09:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

My gut feeling is that somebody's pulling our leg. Dr-ring-ding 17:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The John Mayall Issue

Why on earth would one mention John Mayall so extensively as a beatbox innovator when there was a long history of groups doing vocal percussion in country blues, doo-wop, and jazz scat that predated what he did in terms of style and form? I don't mean to criticize Mayall, because he's a brilliant performer, but I seriously doubt he would lay claim to inventing beatboxing or pioneering the genre--he always was clear that his stylistic roots were firmly planted in African American blues music and as such he would have heard the style of vocal percussion being done by plenty of artists. The roots of contemporary beatboxing are certainly more woven through the fabric of the African American culture than through a single recording by a white British blues musician. If the article is on vocal styles emulating synthesizer beatboxes, Mayall certainly wasn't trying to emulate that and should be dropped altoegether, if it's about recorded vocal percussion then you need to get some deeper links to the history of the style.

[edit] Kenny Beats

It looked to me like "kennybeats" almost certainly contributed all this information himself, and a google search for his name returns four hits, which are all either unrelated or also contributed by kenny himself, so I removed the Vancouver section. Dr-ring-ding 17:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


== HAHA == (I use bot proxies btw) Quality Standards??? ROFL, this article is better quality than most crap articles on this pathetic excuse for an online ecyclopedia. LOL. It amazes me how you lot devote so much of your time for **nothing** to this tripe whilst simultaneously making a few people who own the damn thing very rich indeed. But hey, if wasting your time so that some ungrateful fat cats can buy theirselves a Bentley turns you on, then go right ahead. I've read some of your own articles, and frankly, your idea of "Quality" is not exactly what I'd call it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.21.5.190 (talk) 20:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

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[edit] Importance of various beatboxers mentioned

When a beatboxer is a redlink and there are no links provided, it is difficult to verify whether or not they are an important, notable, or influential part of beatboxing. What are the thoughts on removing redlinks without sources? My feeling is that there are enough demonstrably notable beatboxers that it wouldn't hurt the article to remove all redlinks without sources. janejellyroll 06:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Some answers

Personally im a beatboxer and i find these articles full of biased and self-praise many of the "beatboxer mention" are not even well known]

I think you are right. Turns out that I was the very first person to create this entry on Wikipedia. This was before Wikipdeia had reached a critical mass and I wasn't versed in the encyclopedic style and protocol at the time. I just entered in beatboxing from my perspective, which is all a writer can do really. It has been through the global community's continuous edits and their clashing that will hopefully bring the biggest perspective to the table. Thanks.


and yes beatbox was a loop machine thus the word human beatbox human replicating beatbox machine

and the earliest replication of beat was based on the roland 808 machine


^---You've deleted notable beatboxers that you may not have heard of, but many in the United States have．It is interesting how you particularly delete my contributions when yours are done amatuerishly. Mine were taken from credible online sources, yet yours come from your own opinion and poor excuse for writing. In fact you're making up beatbox terms. If you're going to contribute, do so credibly. Angelicmusic 23:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)



Please explain the term"making up beatbox term" and please understand your fact before making biased view

Notable they may seen to you , in comparision to the beatbox scene as a whole they play little or no part in the revolution of beatboxing and the history of it

and if your so sure of your "trustworthy" source please reference them to moi

Thanks

[edit] America's Got Talent & Butterscotch

Further information: Butterscotch (performer)

Worthy of a mention for bring the artform to a mass audience. Benjiboi 07:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

She finished in the final four but didn't win. Benjiboi 19:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Whole sections.

Very recently, every single piece of information about UK beatboxers was edited out of this page. I attempted to put some of this back in and it got removed again.

Does somebody have something against the UK or was there something wrong with how it was written? Human beatboxing has a massive following in the uk and the biggest beatboxing website in the world is UK based so it deserves to be in this article. If it was removed due to the way it was layed out then please say so we can sort out the layout and wording of it :-)

--BOZE-- (humanbeatbox.com)19:38 11th Sept 07


  • UPDATE*

So is nobody big enough to own up to it?

Shameful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.172.162 (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Butterscotch Beatboxer

I don't know how to update the main page, but here is some information about female beatboxing:

In the summer of 2007, a 20 year old female from Davis, California was featured as a finalist on NBC's prime time show "America's Got Talent." This largely caucasian community is at last proving it is capable of producing multi-genre talent. Here is the link to her show, although she came in second, she is someone who will likely influence the music world in the future.

http://www.nbc.com/Americas_Got_Talent/episodes/season2/205/americas_got_talent_205_03.shtml

Pandora62 05:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)