Talk:Battle of Bouvines

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Does this really have anything to do with the Investiture Conflict, as the battlebox says? Adam Bishop 19:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marginal French victory?

"Marginal French victory"? Is that a joke? The answer is in the article, at the end of it : "John returned to England to face the barons whose possessions in Normandy he had lost. After Bouvines there were no important wars in Western Europe until the 1290s." Bouvines IS NOT à "marginal" victory... Clio64B 00:24, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Importance

I'm quite sure this isn't well-known to the average reader; please see the importance scale for the criteria being used. Kirill Lokshin 21:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Kirill, I agree with you about how well it's known (that is, it isn't that well known), but to be honest I dislike that importance criteria in the first place. This battle may not be well known outside of France, but it was probably the most important battle in French military history (some historians say this battle made modern France).UberCryxic 03:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, we need to try and work towards some consistency in how we assess these things. Having said that, is it actually well-known (as in by non-historians) in France? That would qualify it for "Top" importance. Kirill Lokshin 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Nope, non-historians don't really know about this battle. It doesn't mean it was not an important battle for France. The France remained in peace until 1337 after that. And it was the first time that a victory was used to reinforce the national pride. Nowadays, nobody remember it, of course, that was some time ago, you know. Karap 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.53.225.27 (talk)

[edit] This page does not represent a world view or even a realistic view

• Somebody please put up that tag, and maybe another tag. This article is not encylopedic, and the person who substantively wrote it knows little about medieval history. Its has zero background, zero context, and basically zero infos on the actual structure of the battle. This phrase says it all for me "After Bouvines there were no important wars in Western Europe until the 1290s." LOL. Even heard of the Albigensian Crusade? How about the Barons' War? Both are pretty important in world history. CJ DUB 14:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)