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[edit] Defining ETA
I do not understand why ETA is not referred as a terrorist organization, because that is what it is (it places bombs, kills cold blodedly, blackmails businessmen...) and that is how is natinally defined in Spain.
I trully do not understand why that term is widely avoided in Wikipedia.
[edit] Basque Blood
I do belive that the basque blood line carrys itself to be a profund infucance on how the basque act. I have even seen how people will almost take on these triats of basque nationlism being around them. I also have seen and experance a very strong sense of basque national in half basque breeds. I am finding more and more that people will reject the basque and clam to desinate that they are french or spainish. My father never once siad he was anything but basque around me.
- And who are you, perhapps one of the yesterday hooligans in Real Madrid tema? or a xenophobic more of the long Spanish list?Idiazabal 14:18, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Changes to make it a little more neutral are necessary:
HOw can you talk about basque nationalism and not even mention the founder of present day nationalism SAbino ARana. I added" The maximun ideologe of the present Basque Nationalism is Sabino Arana founder of the Basque Nationalist Party. Arana following the romantic and racist views of the end of the XIX century, created an ideology centered in the purity and supremacy of the basque raze, ultracatholicism and opposition to the migration of other spaniards to a Basque Country starting the industrial revolution." Also the mythical idea of the fueros as view by Basque nationalists is presented as a reality:Basque nationalism is a movement with roots in the Carlism and the lost in 1876 of the old regime privilegiated relation of the Basque provinces with the crown of Spain when the Spanish government revoked the fueros. The fueros acted as part of the Basque legal system, but mainly designated the relation of the Basque Provinces with the crown. The fueros were given by the early kings of Castile to signify their special realtionship with the Basque Provinces. That relation was significant because the Basque Provinces were the only provinces of future Spain that joined Castile by their own request and helped Castile in the reconquista and to overtake Navarre. The Fueros gave Basque citizens a unique position in Spain with special tax and political status; additionally, Basques were not subject to direct levee to the Castillian army, although many volunteared specially in the navy.
- What you say doesn't jibe with Navarre keeping its Fueros. --Error 01:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
- Well, each fuero as you know was different and the Basque Provinces and navarre were not the only areas that had fueros. The fueros of the Basque Country came very early as part of the voluntary union of the Basque Provinces to the Crown of Castille. The fueros of Navarre were quite different in their relation with the crown. They came originally as a relation of the king of Navarre with the population of his kingdom, when Navarre was added in a dinastic dispute to the other crowns of Spain the fueros remained as the relation of the crown with the people of Navarre. Anyway your edits are fear enough for me.
Also I will like to point that both the Basque provinces and Navarre kept their fueros,lost long before in other parts of Spain and Europe, to such late period of history because both were very loyal to the Crown of Castille- the Basque Provinces only- and then Spain.
[edit] Removed
I removed this unsourced piece:
- Franco of course, had no intention to destroy a heavy industry controlled by him, that's self-explanatory. The final aim of creating a small independent and Vatican-linked state was not achieved.
I don't understand this:
- (the believing peasant or unsophisticated basis)
POV:
- Persons who dare to say that the "philosopher-warriors" of ETA behave sect-like, or degenerated into a mafia-style organisations are eliminated. ETA has to its "credit" to have killed over 1.200 persons, injured many more, and forced or "convinced" 150.000 basque citizens (non nationalists) to leave their own country during the 80's to the 90's.
- Like in all sects there are "wise" guys who control finances and policy, and the more ideologized or fanatic "basis" in charge of executions or terrorist acts [ekintzas], of controlling the members of ETA in prison and their families, demonstrations and administrative matters (including international propaganda, mostly in Belgium, France, Ireland, USA, Central and South-America).
--Error 01:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Big White Space
I'm not great at editing pages. Does anyone know how to remove the big white space at the start of the article? Codu (t)⁄(c) • 02:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I suspect it's been caused by a simplification of the Template:History of the Basque people. So cautionarily I'm reverting that change.
- Not sure what exactly was, so I restored the original format of the template... and it worked! --Sugaar 07:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
