Talk:Baptism of desire

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Contents 1 Failed AFD 2 About the move 3 Requested move 4 Last Paragraph 4.1 Survey 4.2 Discussion

[edit] Failed AFD

This article's AFD debate got consensus to keep the article. Johnleemk | Talk 12:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About the move

Cut-and-paste was bad -- but it would be better under that title, if moved properly. It is usually called "baptism of desire" Goldfritha 23:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Baptism by desire → Baptism of desire — "Baptism of desire" is by far the more common term. A Google search gives us 23,700 hits for "baptism of desire", but only 599 for "baptism by desire", and many of those are due to the Wikipedia article. User:207.112.27.29 16:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC) — Relisting RM by Duja 10:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last Paragraph

Is the last paragraph really appropriate to this entry? It seems more like a justification for that particular belief than part of an encyclopedic entry.

By "support" do you mean your desire to remove it or the paragraph itself? Goldfritha 04:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add  * '''Support'''  or  * '''Oppose'''  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

[edit] Discussion

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The thing I don't like about the last paragraph is that it appears to miss the point of the whole article.

"salvation, which comes from faith alone and is not contingent upon
any ritual or form of words. They point to passages such as Acts 10:44-48"

As I understand, those passages in Acts are the main justification for Baptism of Desire, and as we can see from the article, Baptism of Desire clearly is an act of faith rather than ceremony. So it follows that there is no conflict. A few years ago the Catholics & Lutherans issued a statement that the 400 year old faith v. deeds argument was resolved. In effect it was a big misunderstanding & we all believed the same thing all along!

& to Christians who say we should all have a personal experience of Christ to be a Christian I have to ask then why do we evangelise? Why not just sit back, relax & wait for Christ to make his personal visit to everyone who is gong to be a Christian? Rcol 23:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)