Talk:Bank robbery

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There's always things like the IRA robbery too. Not exactly sure what should be added here; significance/motivation/punishment/methods? Aanghelescu 06:42, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What about bank burglary, such as the Dinisio heist in California? ÁÉ

I don't know, but burglary isn't robbery. Joey Q. McCartney 07:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Burglary is something like robbery.burglary is like when you break into ones house.

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[edit] Good Work Cleaning up the Article

Just saying thanks, the article looks much nicer than when I edited it last week. Algophobia (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not all banks have armed security guards

I think that this page should mention that not all banks in all countries have armed security guards. I know that at least here in Canada, security guards aren't allowed to carry guns or other weapons. Flea110 20:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Researching crime studies would be a great start

...If anyone has time. Joey Q. McCartney 07:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most Dangerous?

I do not agree that takeover robberies are the most dangerous type of robbery. In takeover robberies, the robbers are usually professionals or have planned their robbery, whereas a one-man robbery may be spontaneous and violent.


    Why is the article for such a worldwide subject so U.S.-centric?

I agree, extremly US-centric, but then I don't have the knowledge or time to expand Mattlore 10:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep, way too much focus on America. How do you put something up for the systemic bias thing?HichamVanborm 01:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


This article is plain silly. Having done bank robberies and done prison time for it.. I will advise you to put away the DOJ handbooks and crime reports as they are fiction. The entire criminal justice system is fable ridden as far as bank robberies go. Like for instance a common occurrence. A guy gets nabbed for a bank job. He has done say one or two others, told his girl and she snitches him off. When he talks to the feds, because he isn't serious, but really scared, he tells them "I have done 3." and they say "we have film of you doing 12." they show him the film, it's not him... they don't care. He pleads and gets a lesser sentence as long as he lets them clean up their books. As for methods the MOST dangerous robberies are cowboy jobs where the robber runs into the bank and tries to take it over after it has been opened. This is dangerous due to the uncertainity of what can occur combined the personality or state of mind that it takes to do this. Imagine... You run into a room of say 8 people screaming with a gun... Statistically someone is eventually going to snap and do something unexpected. These are the situations where cocaine cowboys start shooting.

   There are the following types of robberies:
    1. Note jobs.  Guy walks in and hands a note for cash.  If he is smart he goes to a commercial till.  If he is not he goes to a regular.  They rarely are armed.  They often serialize this.  They average a grand.  Might hit 20 or 30k with a good commercial till.  Can you say drug addicts and the like.  Usually loners, sometimes they might have a driver.
    2. Cowboys.  They either run in and announce themselves or slide in.  Either way they will brandish or display a firearm.  They will hit more than one till, but will strike so quickly they miss the majority of the money there. They are the fools who put everyone at risk and usually are on such a rush, the money is almost secondary.  They can pull a hundred k but will average between 30 to 60k.  Sometimes they work in groupsd, sometimes not.
    3. Takeovers.  The feds classify cowboys as takeovers simply because they announce their presence.  A true takeover is where all parties in the bank are accounted for and secured prior to the money being taken.  Takeovers come in a variety of methods.  There are several methods out there that regardless of the security steps taken by a bank are tough to defeat. The bank is stuck in a no win. They have to seem open and friendly, not armoured vaults.  Takeovers with a brain will always hit the vault.  The fiction and urban myth spread by movies like point break are just that.  If the bank is controlled-take over completely, there is no 3 or 5 mninute timelimit.  15 minutes is not uncommon.    This will almost alway be crews that do this.  Watch HEAT.  It is flawed, but on many levels the most realisitic movie ever made on the subject.  The job that goes bad is a cowboy job... not a takeover... why? They did not secure the bank.  As I am not trying to write how to notes, but just correct some errors, I will leave it at that.  A takeover should net between 150k to 500k.
    The real threats to the modern day bank robber are not DNA, Cameras, SWAT teams or the like, but rather misinformation spread by the media and people who can't keep their mouths shut.
    If you want to grasp bank robbery, methods and results, look at the architecture of the banks in question.  Everything one needs to know is right there in front of you.

[edit] Contradiction

This article lists two separate events as being the first bank robbery in America. Which is correct? Sloverlord 10:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1798 bank robbery amount

The phrase "which was a very large sum of money at the time" strikes me as rather ambiguous and unencyclopedic. It also ignores the fact that 162 grand is still a pretty decent chunk of money. All that said, I'm going to go ahead and replace this phrase with another one which specifies the amount in 2006 dollars. 69.94.199.146 02:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sections

This article needs more wiki internal organization through sections. I suggest that a section on 'robbery prevention' be created and include the content from safecatch that I recommended be merged into the article. Eliz81 04:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Safecatch merge

Someone posted a merge notice on the safecatch page, suggesting it be discussed here.

  • Just posting to say I Oppose merging the two. Anchoress 21:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
  • SafeCatch is a new and powerful robbery deterent concept that is not based on new technolgy that can be learned and overcome or expensive physical deterents like bullet resistant Lexan or man traps. It is a new way branch staff operate and take controle of their environment, a new business model that delivers both high robbery deterent and great customer services at the same time. Due to the importance of this new idea developed by Larry Carr of the FBI and the need for it to be recognized in the US and across the world, it should stand alone untill it gains the required critical mass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulseibert (talk • contribs)
  • Oppose Not only should it not be merged, I'm not even sure it's notable. Ewlyahoocom 06:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose although it might be worth a mention if a Bank Security section is made for this article. Algophobia (talk) 03:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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