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Economy

  • Ideological clashes between the city's IT moguls, who demand an addressal of the infrastructural problems of the city, and the traditionally bureaucratic state governments, whose electoral base is primarily rural Karnataka's agricultural workers, are aplenty. In July 2004 Wipro CEO Azim Premji threatened to pull his company out of the city, stating, "We do not see the situation (state of Bangalore's infrastructure) improving in the near future." [29]. The Hosur Road, which connects Bangalore to the Electronics City, is a heavily congested road in the city. The road is also part of the National Highway (NH7) and therefore witnesses heavy truck traffic as well.'
the above lines have nothing to do with Economy. also, this issue has been written about ad nauseum in the 'Infrastructure in Bangalore' fork. deleting it.
Of course this has to do with Economy. The fact that similar information may appear in another article does not make it inappropriate for this article. Restoring. --BostonMA 17:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Demographics

Communal tensions between the city's two largest ethnic groups, the Kannadigas and the Tamils, have led to numerous altercations. In early 1991, tensions between the two groups ..........snipped..........[39]. In 1997 the demolition of a stone structure in a mosque in Jayanagar led to violence in sensitive areas in the city that left four dead.

what on earth do the above lines have to do with demographics? the above lines only appear as unabashed POV pushing, by stating half truths and only one side of the story while very conveniently leaving the other side of the story untold. 209.180.28.6 19:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
if we were to add both sides of the story to the article, it would end up becoming unnecessarily long and unencyclopaediac. 209.180.28.6 19:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the "other side of the story"? Our job is not to opine as to why there was/is communal tension, but to indicate that there exists some semblence of tension between those communities. Without that, a discussion of the demographical environment in the city cannot be considered complete. AreJay 19:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
demographics is - "there are 100 people living in my street. 50 are male and 50 female. 60 adults and 40 children. 20 houses in the street. average size of a household is 5. 40% belong to faith X,30% to Y. 30% to Z. 60% speak lang A. rest speak lang B......etc. 209.180.28.6 22:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
demographics is NOT - there are 20 households in my street. the guys living to my right and the guys living to my left had a fight 15 years ago. the cause of the fight, many believe is, because one of my 'right' neighbours chicken ate some of the chicken feed my 'left' neighbour had bought for his own chicken. some actually believe it is the other way round. 209.180.28.6 22:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
in any case, i still believe that there is a 'semblance' of tension between the two families. it is besides the point that their kids fell in love and married each other. it is also besides the point that the inlaws now are great friends now and go pubbing together on the weekends. 209.180.28.6 22:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
i still and 'however' believe that there is a semblance of tension between the two and suspect that they may have a fight again 25 years from now. 209.180.28.6 22:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Please review Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bangalore and Wikipedia:Peer review/Bangalore/archive1 to understand why these elements were incorporated into the article. AreJay 00:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I reviewed it and there is nothing there that answers the above users concerns. and when someone raises a concern, either answer to the point or dont answer. just giving a link which has 50000 words in it and asking the user to figure out is rude. anyway, i am waiting for an answer. and stop trying to bluff with bullshit links - links which either have nothing of relevance or which are just too huge for someone to read and fish out answers to their questions.

IT contribution

Can some please find out up-to-date info on Bangalores IT contribution in $$ and percentages and add it in. I know its somewhere in the 33% range but not sure what that amounts to.

Dinesh K


Prakash's Suggestions to improve the current Bangalore site

Hi! I have the following suggestions. Please take them as constructive criticism from someone who loves Bangalore.

I have compared the current Bangalore site to the Wikipedia site about London so that we can take the better points from the latter and incorporate it into our cities site.

a) The formatting of the Bangalore page is terrible. Everything is lumped together and is incoherent. We need to re-aarange the contentso that it falls into proper place. If you see the London site, you will notice that after every 4 - 5 lines the para ends and a new one begins. In our case it is just the opposite.

b) I tried to rearrange the content recently. I did not delete anything but tried to add headlines. Some zealous administrator reversed what I had done and told me that the format that I had used went against Wikipedia's policy. This is why I am comparing the Bangalore layout to that of London. I ask everyone.............let's have an open mind so that we get a great format in for our great city.

c) There is a lot that is missing. For example, I was astounded to find that Daly Memorial Hall was not featured at all! It is a landmark building with a great history. Luckily I had taken a recent pic which had come out well, and a bit of research led to the creation of the page. Can we create a list of landmark buildings and incorporate them into the site?

d) I would like to devote some time every day to the upgrading of this site. Maybe we can start with a list of things that need to be added. My forte is phtographs and I shall be happy to contribute whatever imagery is needed.

My email ID is prksh1@gmail.com. I'd love to hear from like minded people and set about rearranging the website.

Regards,

Prakash

The formatting is per Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities and the guidelines linked to from WP:MoS, which the London article doesn't follow. And Bangalore is a Featured article, while the London article is not even close. Also, much of the discussion happens on the talk page. But of course, feel free to add/edit in areas, you feel this article is missing. --Pamri • Talk 00:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions to improve Bangalore Web site

1.Helps to move Tourism in and around Bangalore to a more prominant location then at the very bottom. 2.Picture says a thousand words.

 a)Lets get a ISCKON temple photo in. The current one is also
   good (colorfull) but lacks the impact.
 b) In the "Karnataka" page, I have given relevant details and organised Kannada Empires. 
    we can do with One picture from each empire. Ie; Pattadakal for Badami chalukya, 
    Ellora from Rashtrakuta etc. a photo of Keladi Nayaka
    and Rani Chennamma should not be hard to find.(links help but people dont always have time for it)

3.Every place of tourist interest in and arounf Bangalore should have a photo attached to it. I saw some great pictures on this web site http://www.virtualbangalore.com/Tou/InBlr.php#. Not sure if we can use them.

4.Need to find out what percentage of Bangaloreans can speak Kannada. I know for sure that a large population of Immigrants from South India can speak Kannada while very few Locals can speak the languages brought in by Immigrants fluently(telugu/Tamil). We need to establish that though Bangalore is a very cosmopolitian city, Kannada is the most dominant language in usage there.

5. Lets move away from Pot holes/policemen and so on. This problem exists in every city in India not just in Bengaluru. People take pleasure is trashing Bangalore because majority of them there are not "Ethnic Kannadigas".

6. Can someone find out the exact kannada speaking population worldwide instead of quoting a 1998 number and put it into the WIKI page for "Kannada". 7. I created a page for "Karnataka Literature" and have worked hard to put together names, works of famous Kannada/Sanskrit scholars from 4th century AD. Feel free to add to this. 8. The WIKI page "travel guide to Bangalore" looks like a big dump site. We need to organise this page. we need to seperate out temples, hotels, pubs etc. They should be seperate pages.

Dinesh Kannambadi.

Places of interest near Bangalore

It is shamefull to see such little put up on the Bangalore web page. There is no shortage of beautiful places to visit around Bangalore. Instead of "trashing" Bangalore and showing mud puddles, autorikshaws and pot bellied policemen, please take time to put some nice photographs and add to the section I have created. Look at the web pages for Hyderabad and Chennai. None of their residents talk of the filth in Hyderabad or the open drainages in Chennai. I am not suggesting that the local problems in Banglaore should go unresolved, but all I am saying is that we need to learn to market ourselves better and solve internal problems internally.

Dinesh Kannambadi

To-do list

The following is a list of items that need to be done to improve the quality of the article, per the standards set by Wikiproject Indian cities

  • Consolidate the History section into 4 or 5 paragraphs. Most of this section has already been copied over to the History of Bangalore article.
  • Consolidate the Economy section into 4-5 paragraphs. The information currently contained in the article needs to be moved to a new "Economy of Bangalore" article
  • Consolidate the Current Concerns section into 4-5 paragraphs. The information currently contained in this section needs to be moved to a new "Infrastructural Issues in Bangalore" article (or one with a similar title).
  • Spellcheck, and include standardized units of measurements (lakh, kilometer), etc
  • Consolidate the never ending entries for lists. Perhaps restrict the list to those entries that actually have links to Wikipedia articles. If an entry is important enough to make a list, it probably has a Wikipedia article about it.
  • Add a section on the demographics of the city including literacy rates, population by religion, population by language, population by occupation, income levels, etc.
  • Update citations and references
Updated 2/9/2005

Once we have effectively addressed the above items, we should be in pretty good shape to push the Bangalore article to featured status. I urge regular contributors to help improve the quality of this article and add any suggestions, as necessary. Other suggestions, to-do lists welcome within this discussion. AreJay 16:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Review before FAC

Hi, I'll be listing my suggestions/questions here below. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Bangalore’s cosmopolitan character is also attributed to the city’s temperate climate, which is milder than the those of other cities in the country.

    If there's a connection between the climate and the cosmopolitan character, please state the connection explicitly. Is it that because of the climate, people from different places settled here? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

  • The establishment of multinational companies such as ANZ Bank and Citibank as well as international fast food chains such as Pizza Hut and Kentucky Fried Chicken in the 1990s continuted to contribute to the growth of Bangalore.

    I do not understand how the establishment of Pizza Hut contributed to the city's growth? Can we reword it to say that they were indicators of foreign investors coming to Bangalore? Even that without a reference might become original research. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • How far is Nandi hills from Bangalore? The geography section says 30 km and the image caption says 60 km. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Do we have to talk this much about ISRO in the economy section? I'm asking because, it's proposed plan to go to moon etc., might involve ISRO centres in other cities as well, right? Also, we need to use use summary style. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I've completed my round of copyediting. You have my vote. All the best. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the points put forth by Sundar. In addition, there are some minor nitpicks:
  • As far as possible, avoid using See also inside sections. Use either the main article/the see also template.
  • The Main article/See articles should point to articles, which are directly related to Bangalore. For instance, under Media,the main article points to "Mass media in India", which is misleading.
  • The 2nd para in the lead could be arranged chronologically.

Once this is done, you have my vote as well. --Pamri • Talk 08:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sundar, Pamri, thanks for your edits. Now that you mention those points, they seem rather glaringly obvious and I'm not sure how I missed them while I was reading over them myself! Thanks! I will incorporate the remainder of Sundar's, Pamri's and Nichalp's recommendations and pushing it forward to FAC. Thanks! AreJay 14:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I want to know the source of the $59.1 billion GDP figure for Bangalore. Is it PPP-based or nominal GDP? The figure seems too high to be true. India's nominal GDP is $735.6 billion (CIA figures) and it seems impossible that Bangalore's GDP is 59.1 billion.

This statistic is from the Directorate of Economics and Statistics from the Govt. of Karnataka. I have used this as a reference document for some of the other facts stated in the article but I should probably directly reference that quote...one more item to my to-do list today. I am sure that is a purchasing power parity (PPP) based value and not nominal GDP. I will reference that in my edits. India's GDP PPP is over US$ 3 trillion, so US$ 59.1 billion appears plausible. Thanks. AreJay 15:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Proper nouns

Proper nouns should be wikified. Since it creates unaesthetic red links, I usually stub those links, thereby adding more content to wikipedia. It usually does not take more than 3-4 hrs to accomplish this. See Sikkim, Flag of India and geography of India. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:48, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

FA

Wow..great to see an article on my hometown as a FA. All credit to Arejay for his effort. --Pamri • Talk 03:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Languages

According to this web page which cites official census, there are 6.1 lakhs Urdu speakers in Bangalore. I will add Urdu to the list of languages spoken. --BostonMA 01:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Real Estate rv

I just rv'ed 61.95.205.198's edits on real estate (for now). I agree, a summary of these contributions needs to be incorporated into the article. However, the recent edits should be presented in Wikipedia:Summary style, remove POV sentences and opinions, cite appropriate references and be added within one of the existing sections of the article. Thanks AreJay 14:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

edits

  • Bangalore's rapid growth has created several problems relating to traffic congestion and infrastructural obsolescence that the Bangalore Mahanagara Palike has found challenging to address.
AGAIN and again and again and again....ROADS ARE NOT INFRASTRUCTURE!!...infrastructure includes everything, power, sanitation, telecom, roads and dozen other things. all your sources speak nothing about anything but roads and you call it infrastructure.
  • A 2003 Battelle Environmental Evaluation System (BEES) evaluation of Bangalore's physical, biological and socioeconomic parameters indicated that Bangalore's water quality, terrestrial and aquatic ecosystem were close to ideal, while the city's socioeconomic parameters (traffic, quality of life) scored poorly.
Battelle who? can we see a copy of this 'evaluation'and just to put things in perspective what was this BEES' evaluation of other indian cities? - CITE YOUR SOURCES!
references added.
stop bluffing! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarvagnya (talk • contribs).
  • The BMP has been criticised by the Karnataka High Court, citizens and corporations for failing to effectively address the crumbling road and traffic infrastructure of Bangalore.
SOURCES! SOURCES!
reference added.
  • The unplanned nature of growth in the city---->ORIGINAL RESEARCH/POV
No, it is not. Most cities in developing countries experience unplanned growth patterns. This is not original "research".


  • ....resulted in massive traffic gridlocks that the municipality attempted to ease by constructing a flyover system and by imposing one-way traffic systems. Some of the flyovers and one-ways mitigated the traffic situation moderately but were unable to adequately address the disproportionate growth of city traffic.
ORIGINAL RESEARCH/SOURCES NOT CITED/POV
This is a summary of the Infrastructure article. Appropriate references are available there.
  • In 2005 both the Central Government and State Government allocated considerable portions of their annual budgets to address Bangalore's infrastructural woes
can we see a source where the govt has allocated money to address 'infrastructural woes' and not just 'infrastructure'. keep your linguistic flourish to yourself.