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This page is used at baltimora.ytmnd.com/

  • At least they did not vandalize it! --68.34.144.80 01:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Gay, Drug User...

Was Baltimora a homosexual or drug user. Just how did he contact HIV?

Did you see his picture on the main page? I think it's safe to say he was playing for the pink team.-66.254.235.11 01:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
You never can tell with musicians. :O

Amazing as it may seem, hetrosexual people can get aids too.

[edit] Yet Another Italian Phony

McShane was yet another guy who the Italian industry made into a character for their productions. Maurizio Bassi actually composed and sang "Tarzan Boy", and McShane lip-synched the lyrics. Italian record labels had many such "projects", including Den Harrow, who was also very popular. In Den's case, most of the vocals were produced by Tom Hooker, although other Italo Disco singers, such as Silver Pozzoli, also recorded songs as "Den Harrow".

Got any proof of this?--193.195.185.254 05:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course he has no proof, he's just a person that accepts everything he hears, calling artists fakers was popular in the 80's and early 90's, James McShane was a legit singer, oh, and I've discussed this with exactly 35 other indivduals and they all agreed that the voice that sang the song was British/Irish. Vandalists pieced together that the accent was European, and the writer was Italian, then they let their brains run wild, and out came this load of garbage. No disrespect to anyone, but if you're going to call someone a fake, prove it. - Victis_Omega


Can you prove he was a legit singer or are you just relying on the 35 random people you quizzed? The accent is obviously not irish or british, if you listen to songs like woody boogie and tarzan boy this becomes obvious. Before you go around saying he's legit lets see you prove it. -S


Fair enough, but I doubt more than 10 people could be fooled into thinking McShane actually sang if it's as obvious as you make it out to be. And let's try to follow our own advice before go preaching it to others, if he's not legit, let's see you prove it. Now I like the post below me, it has a sense of neutrality but gets the point across in a more interrogative manner, rather than trying to pose personal beliefs as facts. - Victis_Omega


All we need is one sample of proven McShane voice (interview?)and thats it...Anything else to do is simple voice analyze that is possible to do even with todays PC. if song vocals and his voice does not match...then...well. But it is possible that you dont even need computer but only ears, just all we need is actual McShane voice. One thing that do raise suspicions is that we don't know much about his past as singer (and all else). Where did he learn to sing (like pro not like a karaoke star)? Where did he sing before? With who? And so on...

[edit] About YTMND references

Regarding the whole "YTMND isn't notable" stuff: As with Dschinghis Khan, I'd actually say that a reference here doesn't work, but reference on the main Tarzan Boy article does.

Any other opinions? --Crazy SunShine 07:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Referencing YTMND in articles is a very helpful thing to do for the common people, and also gives an example of the article's fame, but unfortunately, many of our power-wielding wiki-admins do not agree. If you reference something related to YTMND, prepare to get into a cat fight with one. Just look at me. Bubby the Tour G 05:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not helpful, because the common people don't actually care. Just zis Guy you know? 12:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I already know that you don't care. However, most other people would definetly care. Name another part where Baltimora or Tarzan Boy is popular beyond YTMND, that is not already listed in the article. I challenge you. Bubby the Tour G 18:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
For values of most which excludes most people, I would suggest. YTMND is not the world, difficult though it may be for the obsessive YTMNDers to accept. Just zis Guy you know? 19:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
YTMND > j00.

what an idiot, if you think the voice singing this song is an irish singer then you must be deaf , it is so clearly italian !!!!

Now now, let's not act all superior when you yourself have no idea either. It's sad to see people insult others based on their personal thoughts on the subject, instead of facts. If it sounds Italian to you, great, go with that as your Opinion, but please for the love of decency don't think it makes you right and everyone else who thinks differently wrong. - Victis_Omega

[edit] Bio section

This is a pretty unencylopedic article--more critical essay than article. Someone added a bigraphical section which has some good material, but is unsourced and also unencyclopedic in tone. I've moved it here in the hope that it might get some attention:

He was born May 23, 1957, in Londonderry Northern Ireland. He grew up on Ivy Terace off Bishop on city side. He was known in a gay community as “Ruby”. Apparently he was gay or bi sexual and was given his nickname by an ex boyfrend. He enjoyed being with men, going to parties and buying the very best most expensive things. He was very kind and loving to both friends and family. He loved life and lived it to the fullest and that’s what made his death all the more tragic. He died on March 28, 1995 at Gransha specialist care unit alone and pennyless at the age of 37. And evidently his family didn’t help and so left him alone.

· rodii · 22:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Content

This article is more on the Tarzan Boy single than it is about Baltimora.

[edit] HIV status

It has been suggested that the subject of this article is eligible for inclusion in the list of HIV-positive people. If you know of any reliable source that helps to clarify this person's HIV status then please mention it on the list's talk page. Trezatium 19:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content II

Some of the info is a bit confusing.

1. It says that Jimmy McShane (an individual) is also known as Balimora. Then it says he is th frontman of the band. What band? It doesn't mention a band before that statement. Unless Baltimora is the band, in which case Jimmy McShane is not also known as Baltimora.

2. It says he is from Northern Ireland, but then in the info box on the right it says he is from Italy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.85.6.230 (talk) 02:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Here is a link which leads to one proof that "Baltimora" was lip-synched

This link is of an interview by Tom Hooker, who also was a singer in Italy's music market during Italo-Disco era. Tom Hooker was the actual singer for another Italian new wave project called "Den Harrow" 1985-1987. In the end of the interview (under the Epilogue), Tom names a few projects including "Baltimora" which were based on lip-synchronisation technique.

Harout72 May 30, 2007

http://www.euro-flash.net/deejays.php?djID=2


   It also says Jimmy McShane is Scottish? I don't think so!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.22.246 (talk) 02:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] YTMND

wow no ytmnd references, similar to what they did with the 300 article, i still think it's dumb --AnYoNe! 22:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
scratch that they seem to ended up putting it anyway, seems they came to their senses --AnYoNe! 22:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
just a little addendum, check out the Tarzan Boy page's shoutbox at Last.FM, not many references to Listerine or Coca-Cola (in fact neither the Listerine nor the Coca-Cola articles mention the song). --AnYoNe! 22:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
i think it's safe to say that the song had the most exposure in recent times (ie: the 2000s) due to YTMND --AnYoNe! 22:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Removing gay lesbian icon

Baltimora project had nothing to do with representing gays, yes the frontman of the project Jimmy McShane was gay himself but that certainly does not mean he actually had control over what the producers of the project wanted to represent. Both the music and the lyrics were done by Maurizio Bassi and Naimy Hackett. New wave genre was viewed as something relating to gays mostly in England including acts like Erasure, Dead or Alive, Bronski Beat. This was not the case in Italy and Germany where the producers were simply into making music following the genre that was in demand. And new-wave or Europop were not viewed as gay music in those teritories --Harout72 (talk) 01:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Harout72 - I've replaced the WikiProject banner, mostly because Jimmy McShane redirects to this article. Even if you discount that, 16000 Google hits for "baltimora gay"[1] shows that the two are linked :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The immature portrayal of those web sites should not be followed here at wikipedia, those sites are simply made by ignorant people who tend to follow the crowd of stereotypers. If the name of Jimmy McShane causes some difficulty to see this project's real essence then I suggest we remove his name from the article and not mention it at all as he was only chosen by the producers to simply lip-synch the lyrics on the stage, in other words, his singing skill was such an undeveloped one that they didn't even think they could sell the records as well as they did if they let him sing. Here is a good starting point to see what I'm refering to, see the Epilogue of Tom Hooker's interview [2]. --Harout72 (talk) 07:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)