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Contents 1 Miss USA 2 Morris Dancing 3 Belt vs Baldric 4 Rank 5 Reassessment

[edit] Miss USA

The article formerly stated "Miss USA winners wear a baldric with their title." This is untrue. They wear a regular sash. A baldric, per this article, has specific military connotations. A sash is not the same as a baldric.

167.80.244.204 14:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)chevalier3

[edit] Morris Dancing

I added a note referring to the use of the term in morris dancing. For references See, for example: http://web.syr.edu/~rsholmes/morris/npg.html#glossary —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil the (talk • contribs) 08:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Belt vs Baldric

I'm not an expert in military attire, but I believe there are several inaccuracies in this article. As I understand it a baldric is basically just a belt, that is worn over the shoulder and hangs down above the opposite hip. The version that goes around the waist and also over the shoulder is called a Sam Browne Belt and is not the same thing at all.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil the (talk • contribs) 12 September 2007

I was about to suggest the same thing. Every baldric I've ever seen had no "round the waist" component, it was simply a wide belt or sling worn over one shoulder to support the weight of a weapon, typically a sword. A standard width leather waist belt with a supporting strap that is worn over the shoulder is a Sam Browne, a much more modern invention designed to support the weight of a holstered pistol. And the uniform component ascribed to the KoC does not have a waist belt, it's a reinforced decorative sash worn over one shoulder that supports the ceremonial sword.

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• From American Heritage: "A belt, usually of ornamented leather, worn across the chest to support a sword or bugle."[1] Emphasis is mine.
• From the Brittanica 1911: "BALDRIC (from O. Fr. baudrei, O. Ger. balderich, of doubtful origin; cognate with English 'belt'), a belt worn over one shoulder, passing diagonally across the body and under the other arm, either as an ornament or a support for a sword, bugle, &c."[2] Emphasis mine again.

Other sites have similar definitions, none describing a waist component, with the exception of those sites that are simply quoting Wikipedia. Several military and historical replica sites offer baldrics for sale, none of which have a waist belt. 12.22.250.4 21:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rank

I'm not sure if it's true that baldrics are used particularly for denoting rank. From my time in the Sealed Knot I know that decorative sashes were used for this, but baldrics are basically functional items, used for carrying a sword or a drum. I don't have any knowledge of other periods of history or modern usage though, so I could be mistaken. The confusion here may be again with the Sam Browne Belt. This is used primarily by officers because it is used to hold a pistol which would not be carried by regular soldiers, and has therefore become a symbol of rank.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil the (talk • contribs) 12 September 2007

From what I'm reading, this is from confusion with the Sam Browne belt, for the reasons you state. It's not a specific denotation of rank, but an association with rank. However, I did read something about baldrics being used as regimental emblems, either by color, style or decoration. 12.22.250.4 21:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reassessment

I have rated the article start class based on the two citations, but the info in the trivia section will need to be cited in its entirety before the article can be bumped up to B-class. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. I'll see if I can find some citations. LuckyThracian (Talk) 02:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Since my last post I've discovered just how diverse and time-consuming the citation process would be and I just don't have the time to give this task a priority. So, regretfully, I'm applying the citation template and moving on. LuckyThracian (Talk) 04:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)