Talk:Bagatelle

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[edit] Instant popularity!

I moved this here.: Some French soldiers carried their favorite bagatelle tables with them to America while helping to fight the British in the American Revolutionary War. The game first surfaced in 1777. A first mention in an American context would be more enlightening. --Wetman 22:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Billard Japonais

While trying to find the origin of pachinko, I presumed that it would be bagatelle, the common ancestor of pinball and originating in France or Italy based on billiards. However, at about the same time as the first bagatell boards are being sited in france there is a "Billard Japonais" board in Alsace (France/Germany). Does anyone know the origin of Billard Japonais? Did bagatelle in fact come from Japan? The Japanese have quite a history of making mechanical toys. --Timtak (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)