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Bacon's rebellion was not so much "class warfare" as it was a geographic conflict. The term "class warfare" itself is not a neutral term and I suggest that the article be rewritten in a more neutral manner

From the entry at Datura Stramonium, q.v. we see:

Datura stramonium is the name of a poisonous weed, sometimes used as a hallucinogen. Commonly called Thorn Apple. Datura stramonium is classified as a deleriant, or an anticholinergic. It grows over almost all of the contiguous 48 states in the US.

In the US it is called Jimson Weed, stinkweed (because of its stinky smell), or more rarely Jimpson Weed; it got this name from the town of Jamestown, Virginia, where British soldiers were secretly drugged with it (in their salad), while attempting to stop the Bacon's Rebellion. They spent several days chasing feathers, making monkey faces, generally acting like lunatics, and indeed failed at their mission.

There is no link from Bacon's Rebellion back to Datura Stramonium, but I am not sure where to insert it. Somebody, please! [edit] " Rewrite of article

The original article was an almost verbatim copy of a copyright article elsewhere, and I was asked to produce a replacement. This I have now done, and have drastically reduced the length of the previous version. The full text is referred to within my article; if other readers wish to make further changes they are of course welcome to do so. The only suggestion I would make is that this event was only one of several such rebellions - I allude to the later North Carolina War of the Regulation which may well have been a much more important event in historical terms. Peter Shearan 19:26, 17 May 2005 (UTC) NB I have not included the suggestion made above!!! [edit]

War

I changed the wording slightly to avoid the use of this word in a context which could be confused with the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. Vaoverland 09:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Article Discussion Edit this page + Hi


Some hierarchy-lover wrote: Bacon's rebellion was not so much "class warfare" as it was a geographic conflict. The term "class warfare" itself is not a neutral term and I suggest that the article be rewritten in a more neutral manner

What is UNneutral about calling it "class warfare" when it WAS class warfare. What we have here is another dominance hierarchy lover who wants to toady up to the upper class.

Bacon's Rebellion was class warfare. And I will be back with cites and evidence. Of course, for every one of me, there are 10 of you. So I expect to be censored here yet again.

--Cryofan march 19, 2006

I changed the Susquehanaug tribe name to Susquehannock, so it links to the wikipedia page about the tribe, whose name had quite a few spellings and variations. Pfly 02:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Various edits

In the various edits I made, I took out this claim:

"The colonial governor of Virginia, Sir William Berkeley, had given suffrage to property-holders only"

Because I didn't think it was true -- I thought Virginian suffrage was for property-holders only from long before Berkeley's time. But I realize I could be wrong. If he really did disenfranchise the poor it ought to be in the article. Is it true? Pfly 14:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Responding to myself.. in reading last night I found that this may be true -- that landless people, at least some of them, did have voting rights up to 1670, if I recall correctly. I don't know if anyone is reading this page other than vandals, but this suffrage point could be put back in. I'll do so later when I find sources and time. Also, I was looking into the idea that the right to bear arms stems in part from Bacon's Rebellion, and it seemed unlikely, or at best much more complex and issue than I thought. Something to expand on in this article. Pfly 17:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, yes, we non-vandals read it too. Granted, it's an obscure topic, but isn't that part of what Wikipedia is about? You seem to be doing a fine job of editing, and it's thanks to people like you that Wikipedia is the resource it is.Artemis-Arethusa 16:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Right to bear arms

"Historian Helen Hill Miller has pointed out that one of the most important reforms made during Bacon's government was the recognition of the right to bear arms, so that the common man could defend himself from hostile Indians, but also so that he may oppose a despotic regime. After Berkeley's resumption of power, this right was one of the first he repealed."

The right to bear arms page seems to contradict this. Did Berkeley really make it illegal to bear arms? How did the militia function then? Source of repeal claim? Pfly 05:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

The following was written in the "In culture" section:

"Bacon's Rebellion was also when pigs tried to take over the world. when they failed the frase "when pigs fly" came about because it was impossible for the pigs to over-come their supperiors. Therefore the pigs never flew and we learned how to make bacon. Hence BACON's rebellion. This all hapend in 3062 when Tiger Woods became the first person to rise from the dead and become our countries tenth president. Also in 3062 we learned that global warming is good because when we stopped poluting everybody exept the Americans and the Chinease died in the cold frost. We didn't freeze due to the fact that we still had a smog cloud surruonding us."

I went ahead and deleted it. Not sure if there was anything important there before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.3.246 (talk) 03:53, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes that is vandalism, thanks for the revert-- Penubag  06:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

I suspect the last sentence in Paragraph 2 under the "Effects of the Rebellion" heading -- "It was also deemed illegal to purchase or make bacon from 1678 until it was repealed in 1854" has been inserted as a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtrac3y (talk • contribs) 14:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes, thanks for the info. I have reverted out the vandalism-- Penubag  21:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Aggressive?

The sentence at the end of the first paragraph is:

"Nathaniel Bacon demanded aggressive Native American policy."

This is meaningless unless the terms used are defined. For example, was it aggressively for Native American policy or against it? Either way, what was that policy? I suspect the author is using a euphemism too subtle for the rest of us. Please rewrite this. --Kjb (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of the wrong man

The engraving is From "An Historical Discourse" thus it shows the other Nathaniel Bacon of the 17th Century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.101.202 (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Correct, this is an engraving of Sir Nathaniel Bacon. Nathaniel Bacon the rebel was not knighted.

I have moved this image to the correct article and removed it from Bacon's Rebellion as well.

TuckerResearch (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)