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[edit] TPE

Calling the TPE a "research project" is slightly exaggerating!

Not calling TPE a research project, now thats exaggerating! I worked over 4 full days to make my TPE excellent. It was a mix of biology and eco. 3 of my friends and I did a TPE on hybrid cars, and it was a great experience, the team, the research, the statistics, the organization...everything. So even if ur so sceptical about this, it doesn t mean its not a real reseach.DedMed 09:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

If you ever get your way to the last years of university, then you would see what research mean. It really means thinking hard and searching a lot. Not days, months. And the result might not even be 'excellent'.
Therefore, saying it is a "research project" is far too much. 90.28.79.33 16:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Results 2004

Here is a great example of the Bac results in 2004: http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/chifcle_liste.asp?theme=7&soustheme=2&souspop=1.

This gives you an overview of the complexity of the exam as well as the diverse marks pupils received.

[edit] Bac userbox

bac This user is a graduate or student of the French Baccalauréat


Here's one more userbox since there nearly aren't enough. This one is for bac students and graduates. You can get your own with the {{User FB}} tag. Bobsky 04:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supplemental examination

"If the student does poorly in the orals and receives below an 8, he or she may choose to sit for the entire examination once again in September." AFAIK the September examinaton is available only to students who could not come in June for medical reasons. There are also special provisions for students practicing "high-level" sports or taking the exam in foreign countries or overseas. Apokrif 16:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I had never heard of the September examinations either but carried them from a previous edit. Bobsky 23:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
the system of september examination was use till something like 1970. Nowadays, it is an oral de rattrapage in july, few days after the first results of the bac.

[edit] Formula for Converting French Grade to Percentage

Please provide a discussion on the derivation of the equation; at best it appears to be "une blague" - and a poor attempt at that. A fourth power relationship between raw score and percent does not make sense. Aloysius Patacsil 06:38, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Non, ce n'est pas une blague and neither is it a fourth power. The * is a multiply sign. I'll make it clearer. By the way I got the formula here and have used it myself extensively. Bobsky 23:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that there is a great difference between French grades and Canadian grades. As such I have provided a conversion grid that is intended for converting French grades to US grades only. 70.17.209.139 17:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have trouble believing that 13/20 is equivalent to 80%. I am unfamiliar with Noth American systems for grading but 13/20 in the French system is OK, slightly above average but nothing brilliant. 'good' starts at 14, really.

Ok, this formula might work in Canada, dunno, but it won t work in the rest of the world. If for example you have 14/20, in percentages that would be: 14x5= 70. Now that x5 works only if you want a percentage and if u want it from a french mark, coz 20x5=100, 20 being the french mark and 100 being the percentage. Then there is also an other VERY useful formula, for example if u don t wanna see the mark in percentages but say, in something / 80. Now if u have 14/20, and u want to see what would that 14/20 give in terms of /80 u do this : 14/20 which is 0.7, then multiply by, in this case 80. which gives us : 14/20=0.7x80=56, or : (14/20)x80. Which means that ur mark 14/20 means u have 56/80. U can do this in every case, for example, if ur test is on say...248, and u want to bring it to a french mark something/20, u just do : ur total of point divided by 248, multipled by 20. ex: (220/248)x20=17.74, if ur professor likes u he/she ll give u 18 :P. DedMed 09:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but all you're telling is (x / a) * ( a / c ) == (x / c), which is self evident. 90.28.79.33 16:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exceptions to type types of bacs

Each of these categories encompasses several somewhat specialized curricula. For entrance to regular universities, however, there are no real restrictions as to the type of baccalauréat that was achieved (with a few exceptions of course).

I have never heard of such exceptions. Can you provide a few examples? Tony

I heard that some universities (illegally) rejected holders of the professional bac. Of course, selective programs like DUT can restrict access to holders of the appropriate bac, or to students of the corresponding Terminale. Apokrif 11:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
In France if you have a Scientific Bac, you can yes attend practically any course. However for the Economics and Litt holders, they can both attend most courses except Scientific ones. The ones with a Professional Bac have specialised earlier and hence can only really attend specific courses related to their bac pro. [WAM]

[edit] Coefficients

Hum, doesn't the article lack a thourought explanation of the coefficients system? Perhaps we could include it in the chart? Tailindil 17:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] excellent / félicitations du jury

"A mark of 18 will earn a mention of excellent (phenomenal honors)" In this case, doesn't the student rather earn the "félicitations du jury"? Apokrif 11:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I've never heard of a mention excellent. If I recall correctly, the person who gets the highest average on the test gets the félicitations du jury but there is no higher honours than très bien. Bobsky 03:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
In fact, the attribution of félicitations du jury is entirely at the panel's discretion. I was awarded félicitations with just 17/20, which was not the highest average of the year nor even of my class. I assume this is because I did the option internationale, which is considered to make things harder. I can't find an official source but the French wikipedia page on this subject explains this better:

"Cette distinction supérieure à la mention très bien n'existe pas officiellement, même si ce terme est souvent employé, que ce soit par les journaux, ou même les enseignants ou les élèves. Il arrive que le président du jury ajoute cette mention de façon manuscrite sur le relevé de notes du baccalauréat. Il est généralement considéré (probablement tout aussi arbitrairement) qu'une moyenne supérieure ou égale à 18 équivaut à l'attribution des "félicitations du jury"."

195.212.29.92 12:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coefficients for série littéraire

You missed more than one "concentration", or specialization as you call it, Langue vivante 1 and Langue vivante 2.


[edit] Math for série scientifique

Some sentences exagerated on the importance of Mathematics in S... it is not ALWAYS the subject with the biggest weight! In fact most of the scientific pupils choose physics or biology as a speciality and have a weight of 8 on it, while math is only weighted 7! That's why I errased a few sentences!

LilKT 15:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Technical sections???

There are many other sections for the baccalauréat than just the L, ES and S ones (STT, STI, SMS,...) Perhaps this could be explained a bit more... but I don't have the knowledge to do so! :s

LilKT 15:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake...

I never heard about the fact that there is "Engineering Sciences or Biology-Ecology" as it is written in the grid in S... you only have Earth & Life Science weight 6 or 8 for 3 1/2 hours (written) plus 1 hour (laboratory)!!!

LilKT 15:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Over Forty Languages???

« The baccalauréat permits students to choose to sit for exams in over forty world languages or French regional languages (such as Basque, Breton, Corsican, Franco-Provençal, Picard, Norman, Créole, Occitan, Roussillonais Catalan). » Is this true? It is difficult to believe. I have never heard this. It should be removed unless someone can cite a source.

Charvex 09:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it's true nevertheless. Finding a source most certainly means searching the Education Ministry website for an official document recapping the available languages. It doesn't mean anything however and this count is subject to change every year.

90.28.79.33 16:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Postnominal letters

The author of my Cassell's Compact French Dictionary puts "B. ès L." after his name on the title page. Is this a common practice in France? NRPanikker 19:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] International Equivalence

What equivalence is the French baccalaureate granted in other education systems? For example, it seems from the description that it must be harder to obtain than a US high school diploma: so would a bac holder gain advanced standing at an American college, and start in the second or third year? NRPanikker 19:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The answer is second year 67.166.252.177 23:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

Wasn't this first made by Napoleon? I think there should be a wee history section explaining it. --80.6.144.141 (talk) 19:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)