Talk:B'nai B'rith
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[edit] Odd concentration on the Canadian Wing?
It seems strange that only a brief summary of the American B'nai B'rith is present and followed by an extensive and somewhat random description of the Candian B'nai Brith which is around 3 times longer. Nothing wrong with Canadians, I am one myself, but this seems more than a little bit unbalanced and weird. Zabby1982 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. In particular, the Aptowitzer-Elmasry incident is really a digression from the main article. Perhaps B'nai Brith Canada should have its own article, or (better) this article should be expanded to include more information about B'nai B'rith International and its member organizations in other countries. David Cohen 19:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] bias
An organization which is involved in the "promotion of human rights" and is also "a vocal supporter of Israeli policies." Any sane person can see an overt contradiction on those two statements. For the sake of readers who are not familiar with these issues please review your article, or add a 'disputed neutrality' sign on it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.75.254.114 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 13 October 2005, UTC.
I have removed the "fighting racism" mention as the group actively supports Israel, and openly promotes anti-Arab views in the media every day. While I will maintain it does its part to combat anti-Semitism, it does not really seem to fit the definition of a group opposing racism. Nlsanand 00:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
My edit regarding the exclusion of the "racism" was reverted without any real explanation. I have eliminated it, as B'Nai Brith is really only a group that fights anti-Semitism. To say "what it considers to be racism" is really just saying that it fights against anti-Semitism, it cares primarily about Jews and not really other cultures. Furthermore, its promotion of Zionism is definitely an example of how it promoting "racism" through support of the Israeli. Therefore, to characterize it as anti-racist even with the correct provisos is still fundamentally misleading. I have changed it back here. Please address any comments on this in the Talk Page. Nlsanand 03:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I really opposed only removal of "what it considers". It is exactly the NPOV way of saying that. If that is the stated goal of this organization, it should be mentioned. Maybe even better would be "The stated goals of B'nai B'rith are: ..." --Magabund 09:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] misleading text
The following excerpt from the article page may be misleading and is not a direct quote of what Dr. Mohamed Elmasry actually said, rather it is an interpretation made by the author:
"Dr. Mohamed Elmasry insisted that all Israeli citizens over 18 years old were legitimate targets for Palestinian suicide bombers because they might join the Israeli army."
It is more accurate to state that it is a mandatory requirement that all Israeli citizens 18 years and over (with a few exceptions) must join the IDF. The use of "may join" is misleading because it implies that Israeli's are making a free will choice to join or not, which is simply untrue.
The transcript of what Elmasry said is available here [1], and should be referenced for completeness.
Partial transcript:
ELMASRY: I'm saying that it has to be totally innocent, OK? Totally innocent are the children, obviously, OK? But they are not innocent if the army [inaudible] in civilian clothes, OK?
COREN: What about women?
ELMASRY: The same, if they are women in the army...
COREN: Anyone over the age of 18 in Israel is a valid target.
ELMASRY: Anybody above 18 is a part of the Israeli army...
COREN: So everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target?
ELMASRY: Yes, I would say.
- easily fixed by changing "may join" to "may be in". Not everyone over 18 is in the Israeli army. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David Cohen (talk • contribs) 18:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Can someone in the know add B'nai B'rith in the International Phonetic Alphabet?
--Greasysteve13 07:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Controversies
I've seen many accusations leveled at an "Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith", ranging from the absurd (old blood libels) to the plausible (Mafia connections in New York City). Could some clarification be added if B'nai B'rith and ADLBB are separate? Or could some list of controversies be created? (Even if only to debunk looney accusations.) --64.232.164.38 23:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References
The references don't seem to be done correctly here. Just wondering if the original person who sourced them would like to correct them, or if they wouldn't mind if I did. By not being done correctly, there should be some bibliographical information on the bottom of the page, not just the number of the resource. (Possibly some incorrect wiki coding?) Again, let me know! WiiAlbanyGirl (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
