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What is that with the "The French government placed ads in Liberation, a newspaper in France (which is not read by Islamicists)"? The previous authour put that in, but I haven't heard anything about this ... --there_is_no_spoon 00:39, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • This is true, confirmed by the newspaper itself. Much of the negotiation between the French government and this extortionist group was carried out through personal ads placed in the newspaper. Physchim62 15:57, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What's the full name of AZF? Can anyone specify it in the article? --Yacht 02:24, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)
I think that that is their full name. To the best of my knowledge that was the name of the chemical plant that was blown up. One must note, that this is the first time this terrorist group has done anything, so a lot is unknown about them! --there_is_no_spoon 15:10, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • AZF is short for AZote Fertilisants. However, it is now univerally known by its abbreviation (including on French Wikipedia, so a move seems unappropriate. In Toulouse, before the explosion, it was usually referred to as "La Grande Paroisse", after the company that owned it (long since a subsidiary of Atofina). Physchim62 15:57, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Um... is there anything else backing up this Hassan Jandoubi theory besides one article in the Guardian? Is there another way to word this than the passive-tense "It is suspected"??? And I'd definitely agree with there_is_no_spoon's confusion over this bizarre "Islamicists don't read Liberation" thing... -- mj

I'm fairly sure I remember reading about the AZF explosion a couple of years ago. In our papaer it said the guy had on several layers of underwear, as is usual with suicide bombers. So that should be pretty clear.

That theory went out the window pretty quickly. The guy wore three pairs of underpants because he had a complex about his small buttocks (no, honestly, several independant witnesses confirmed it!). Physchim62 15:57, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

by the way: it looks like some guys from the AZF got caught [1]. If this comes in tomorrows news and it isn't in here by then, I'll enter it! --there_is_no_spoon 15:06, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Number of fatalities?

This article currently says:

"The disaster caused 30 deaths (28 from the factory, one lycéen — secondary school/high school pupil — from a neighbouring school)..."

28 + 1 = 29, so where does the 30 come from?

I just checked the NYTimes archive; the article "French Search for Cause of Chemical Plant Explosion" (September 25, 2001) says:

"The blast left 29 people dead, at least 10 missing, and injured more than 2,500..."

Should the 30 in the article be changed to 29?

-- Jim Douglas 07:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crater size

I think the crater figures shown in this article are widely overstated, and that 30 m (100 ft) in diameter and 10 m (33 ft) deep would be more sensible figures, as stated by other sources. A diameter of 50 m (165 ft) is also mentioned a number of times, and it would probably fit more properly to a deep of 10 m, as the crater walls are unlikely to be very steep (in case this last figure is right).


[edit] Article Split

Would it be wise to split the article into a page about the terrorist group, and a page about the factory? Although they are related, they do deal with entirely different topics. Jem 12:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, split the page to AZF (Terrorist Group) Jem 00:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Hello, I'm from french Wikipedia and I would like to warn you about somebody who put an external link to an alternative theory. He uses Wikipedia to promote his theory. You can see a long conversation about that on french Wiki. Thank you and excuse me for my english. --Pinpin44 07:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I'm another french Wikipedist. I only want to warn you about Mr Pierre Grésillaud (IP 82.238.204.242), who used to be a POV pusher on french article. He wants to add a link to his blogs (www.azf-toulouse.com, http://www.arme-collection.com/AZF-WEB/AZf/Go.html, http://enqueteazf.skyrock.com) to promote his own theory about what appenned in AZF.
You have to know that his site contains muckraking and vilification but no one proof or evidence. Moreover, he divulges illegal datas about the legal process and the police investigation, that is reprehensible in France. Thank you and excuse me for my english. 62.161.46.1 09:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)