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[edit] DoA3 Winner?

There seems to be some dispute as to wether or not Ayane was the victor of the third Dead or Alive tournament. Noting the end movie of Dead or Alive 3 fighter [[1]Zack], he is seen with a large check from the DoA tournament and betting it all at a casino. The opening movie to DoA:Xtreme Beach Volleyball shows this exact same ending and continues to show Zack winning and buying Zack island. Eventually Zack Island sinks and as a result Zack is left in severe debt, which is his reasons for entering the Dead or Alive 4 tournament, as seen not only in Zack's wiki but in the manual itself. So the storyline of DoA:XBV is in fact, canon. Zack did win the third tournament and Ayane did not. -Dullaware

I see, It was my understanding that Itagaki (the creator of DOA) had said that Ayane won DOA3. However untill I can find a credible source, I will not begin an edit war, you may do as you please. -- Psi edit 20:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have your facts wrong, Dullaware. Ayane defeated Omega, and she is the true victor of the tournamanet. The mere reason she did recieve the title of champion is because she neglected to and left as soon as he was defeated. Zack then claimed the title by default. I don't recall saying Zack's ending or DOAX was not canon. -ZeroTalk 05:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

DOA4 makes it obvious that Zack won the DOA3 tournament, and that DOAX is canon in the story. However, I think Ayane's DOA3 could still have happened. In the first place, all that is shown in Ayane's DOA3 ending is her burning Genra's body. This is not proof that she necessarily defeated him at all, she is just giving him proper funeral rites. She could have collected the body after Zack defeated him. Of perhaps she defeated Genra, but then Zack defeated her to win the tournament? It's not crystal clear, but at any rate, there's nothing in Ayane's ending that makes it clear that she won the tournament or even fought against Genra.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/deadoralive4/news_6140710.html
"For gamers still in need of closure, Itagaki also revealed that Ayane was the winner of DOA3 in terms of the series' storyline."
AYANE IS WINNAR, and the rest follows as Zero says. Papacha 13:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Does killing Genra actually mean that you win the tournament? Couldn't it just simply be that Ayane defeated Genra, and Zack won the tournament by defeating all competitors? Two seperate things? Seriphyn 22:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Not when the dude behind the scenes says she won the darn thing. Speculation's one thing, but sheesh. Papacha 02:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

For DOA4's canon story to make sense, Helena must have won the DOA3 tournament. So, there's your answer. Maybe before DOA4 was made it was intended for Ayane to be the official winner, but via DOA4, the winner must be Helena - any other result means that all of DOA4 can't happen. Speaking of which tons of the stuff written here that's referred to as being in the canon is horribly inaccurate and/or completely made-up like some fanfiction writer's dream scenario. This whole page needs re-writing pretty much.


[edit] Last revert - why?

"Ayane is not a morning person." is a verifiable personality trait. 152.3.141.143 14:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

That's not professional sounding and its not a personality trait. I also wouldn't consider it true. -ZeroTalk 14:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Not true? Maybe we're playing different games. 152.3.141.143 14:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps. -ZeroTalk 14:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Different Universes?

Excuse me but THe Xbox Ninja Gaiden and DOA do take place in the same universe. And at no point in Ninja Gaiden does Ryu Haybusa die. It has been said numerous times that Ninja Gaiden is a prequel to Dead or Alive 1 so there is no real continuity error. Disregard the Nintendo Ninja Gaidens. I'm going to edit this section, based on information straight from the games.Rayfire 19:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Please provide a source for this. The evidence in this case is sufficient in support of the alternate universe. Ryu was literally sliced in half in the ending - how does that qualify as real continuity error? The fellow is dead.-Randall Brackett 19:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iris

I would just like to say that, being the one who included the information about Ayane's name and the link to irises, that you have made a mistake to mindlessly delete my contribution. Firstly, "Ayane" is a variant spelling of "Ayame", and don't forget the 'm' or 'n' is chosen by the translator who writes the name in English, both names could be spelt exactly the same in Japanese. Secondly, regardless of whether all irises are purple or not, the PURPLE IRIS at the end of DOA 2 and in the Kasumi/Ayane FMV movie in DOA: Ultimate makes it clear that the purple iris is Ayane's symbol (and guess what, she just so happens to have purple hair and a name very similar if not identical to one meaning 'iris'!) You guys are so pedantic and picky about not allowing other people to add to articles it verges on ridiculous. Maybe, just maybe, someone else might know a thing or two as well, but pedantry and megolamania are incurable conditions! JJ

Ayane and Ayame are NOT written the same in Japanese. "ne" and "me" are completely distinct characters. There is a STANDALONE "n" character that can be an m sound in certain cases, but that's not the character used here. Beyond that, I can't claim any expertise on this character and whether an iris connection is meant or not. However, Ayane and Ayame would be written in VERY different ways in Japanese.　あやね　is Ayane, あやめ is Ayame. Notice the last character is different in each case, and that "aya" is the same (obviously). 72.192.237.134 21:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)Ismail
There is definitely a connection between the purple iris and Ayane. It's her symbol and has been in her various FMV movies. Look for it especially in the DOA: Ultimate FMV movie that explains her background http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkhIpd2pQCY. And if "Ayane" and "Ayame" are different, why doesn't anyone actually find out what "AyaNe" means? Wouldn't that be of the greatest relevance?
Well, Ayane and Ayame *are* different. If Ayane means anything, then find out what it means. This isn't like "connections exist until someone proves they don't" - this is "connections don't exist until someone proves they do." Anyway, I'm not a big DOA player and just was contributing some information when I saw an error. Incidentally, do you always see Ayane's name written as あやね (hiragana) and/or アヤメ (katakana) or do you ever see any kanji used to present her name? If there are standard kanji that are used to express her name, then you can look into the traditional readings of those kanji to get what her name means. They often have characters in anime, manga and other forms of Japanese fiction where the name intention is communicated by the kanji used to present the name. For example, Hino Rei (Sailor Mars) has a name where the kanji tell you "Soul of Fire."
Judging by Wikipedia's spirit, if you can make a statement about the connection between purple irises and her that is either proven in-game or has a citation elsewhere, then that's fine, but if you can only give your own speculation, then that doesn't work. 72.192.237.134 15:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)Ismail

It's not my own speculation I assure you. I remember the designers of DOA saying that when DOA: Ultimate is released it will reveal the importance of the purple iris seen in Kasumi's DOA 2 ending. Like I said, it's in the Kasumi/Ayane background movie in DOA: U, and it would be a reasonable assessment to say the significance the designers mentioned was that it signifies Ayane. Is there no-one else who got this too and can back me up? 80.41.44.254 17:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well there you go. WHEN DOA: Ultimate is released. I take it that it isn't yet? When it IS released, we can say for SURE what the connection is, and even if you're right, you'll THEN be able to provide details. Until it actually comes out it WOULD be speculation, because some of the nature of what you anticipated may be somewhat different. We're shooting for verifiable fact here... you might say that this suggests a connection - IF you see somewhere else also mentioning a suggested connection.
Did you know that when the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was being developed, there was at least one point in the development where media outlets were under the impression it would be using the Link from Zelda 1 and 2 after the events of those games? That certainly changed by the time it came out... anyway, all I mean is that you can't say for sure until they actually release the game and you definitely see WHAT the connection is and can say something about it, not just that there is "probably" going to be some big one. I mean, this could be IN the DOA: Ultimate article as something SUGGESTED about the game since an article like that WOULD be flagged as being under possible changes as details of a yet-to-be-released product change... 72.192.237.134 11:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Dead or Alive Ultimate was released on the XBox two years ago! 80.43.57.68 23:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well then, if it was released two years ago... did it clarify the connection? The fact that you (it was you, right? if not, then whoever it was) said "When this is released it will" made me think it hadn't come yet. If the game is out and it clarifies this... okay... but if not, then why keep the speculation? Anyway, this isn't a subject I know, so I'll leave it to those that do. Also, all the me/ne stuff above had me make a typo in the katakana name (using me when I meant to use ne)... anyyway. 72.192.237.134 22:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Ismail

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)