Talk:Aveda

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 11 March 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Should there really be links to outside Aveda salons at the bottom of the page? For the vast majority of readers, these are completely useless.

Yes, because it can give more insight into different level salons and prices. That's why it is important to have external links to Aveda salons.

Saying that external links are useless is a little overboard. If the reader wanted to find out more information about these products or services offered by various salons, they could use this page.

No, they would use Aveda's official website. We aren't an advertisement, as has been pointed out to you numerous times. Vaguely 06:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
No kidding, I think we've established that you've told me, that post was a little old to be commenting on; go find another page to haunt, if you don't want to aid in the rewrite of this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.246.144.52 (talk) 00:04, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Changed the ad problem

I've deleted alot of the text that was added only because it was not neutral. If there is anything else that should be deleted, please point it out SPECIFICALLY, not by saying the whole article is a problem. It reads a little better now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.246.144.52 (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Deleted External Links

I deleted some of the external links, such as ones that point out specific salons in newspaper articles, and I also deleted links to specific salons. I was originally all for keeping specific links to show the difference between Experience, Concept, and Lifestyle, but now I think it is best to only allow the Aveda.com link, where you can find any type of salon you like. This way, this article doesn't turn into an advertisement between companies. Please tell me if there is anything else that needs immediate fixing. Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.246.144.52 (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Innapropriate Ad Label

I really don't feel that the Advertisement Label is appropriate any longer. And if it is, would somebody PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY. I have been working on this article for a few months now, and I am getting sick of seeing the advertisement label at the top. Either MARK the spots that seem as an advertisement or SPECIFY THEM HERE.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MaytrixInk (talk • contribs) 16:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Repeated Advertisement

I have repeatedly asked to either have the ad tag taken off of this article or for someone to point out what is an advertisement. I have spent lots of time on this specific article, and I'm getting a little annoyed that no one has taken the time to help me with it. This company is notable, and I have spent time with Aveda representatives, the owner of the salon that I work at, and salons/spas around my area to find out about products and history, taking this information and re-writing it to be informative, not as a selling point. Please either take it off or help fix it. Thanks.

(MaytrixInk^)
The feel of the article is advertisement-like. It should be encyclopedic and instead it reads like a brochure for the company. There should be a short history of the company, including who started it and who bought it out. It should not say 'Estee Lauder just funds them,' because it sounds awkward and inaccurate. There should be a short section explain things such as the services provided (and they should be described as 'personalized massages, facials, hair design, etc', not 'made just for them, or any variant thereof), the products provided (a simple explanation that Aveda makes and sells a full line of skin and hair care products), a short mention of their publicity as a 'green' company (I know they were voted in the top 100 'green' companies, but I don't remember for what), and that's it. No fawning over their products or anything.
Yes, the company is notable and they provide great services. But this page reads like those handouts for Aveda employees. Spending time with Aveda representatives and such do not mean you are an expert. If anything, you are conducting independent research, which isn't encouraged on Wikipedia. Please find information solely in resources available for public viewing, not what you heard at a nearby spa. If you'd like assistance re-writing this, I'd be glad to help, but it needs a full work-up, possibly a complete overhaul, and that would take some time for me to find the proper resources and such to list as references. Vaguely 05:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Considering that I am employed by the company, yes, I would consider myself an expert. I think that the phrase "personalized" in context here means that the customer may choose what they wish to happen in that service. There is a short history. Estee Lauder does fund them, and why not explain the products? I think you're knitpicking. I don't appreciate your candor, nor do my fellow employees. If YOU are such an expert, why not re-write it yourself? I know, from my employment, mostly all there is to know about this company, and I do not appreciate it being torn apart. -MaytrixInk

I didn't "tear" you apart, and no, being an employee of a corporation does not make you an expert. I'm an employee and I don't consider myself an expert in any right. If you're the president of Aveda, that's a whole other story, but either way, you're taking this WAY too personally. Sorry for being honest; I would recommend getting off the internet if you can't handle someone saying, 'Yes, this does sound like an advert in some place, be careful on that.' If you and your fellow employees are standing about offended by it, then allow me and my fellow employees to chuckle a little over it. Calm down, its only a job, only an article, only a website. Have a great day at work! Vaguely 13:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
You assume I am merely a low employee, when in truth, you don't know my rank. I am an expert on the products and services, and whether you care to admit it or not, there are people smarter than you out there. Not only do I know all the main ingredients for each product, but where they come from, what reactions they will cause; in short, my friend, I know my shit. You may have a chuckle at it, and I commend you for being able to laugh at yourself, because, after your ignorance, that's the only place where laughter seems to fit.

[edit] *Sigh*

Okay, so obviously no one has been trying to help me out on this article, which I don't really appreciate, but to each his/her own I suppose. I am requesting permission to completely re-write this article. No one else will help, and I have plenty of information/citations to make this article great, and you can revert it if you don't like it.

I understand that you have some sort of thing for this article. If you want to re-write, go ahead, but don't act so put-upon that no one else is clambering to write an Aveda Co. article. If you have the resources, good research with verifiable sources, and non-original research, then by all means, please re-write as you see fit.Vaguely 13:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I have every right to act "put-upon" as you so eloquently put it; this is an article containing a brand that is rising in familiarity/popularity throughout the world. Don't give me some sort of high and mighty attitude when frankly, I didn't ask anyone to "clamber over" to write an article. I asked for people to point out SPECIFICS when they say "ahh it's an advertisement", "waaaaaaa too much advertisement". I don't appreciate your comment and it's as unwelcome as your mis-reference to Aveda Co. It's AVEDA. Not Aveda Company. Please at least be informed before posting a dumbass comment. 64.246.144.52 20:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Getting Sick of This Place.
This has now officially gone beyond what is necessary. This article should have information about the origin of the company, history of the company, a BASIC OVERVIEW of products and services required, a section on the difference between Aveda Spas and Aveda Concept Spas, their mission concerning the environment and NOTHING MORE. It reads like an advertisement because it is BIASED. You are being completely out of line. I made one little mistake concerning the title of the company, calm down, and realize that it is simply a wikipedia article, NOT an employee brochure and NOT an opportunity for you to prostrate yourself at the feet of the company as if it is God. Re-write the goddamn article and when it is at wikipedia standards the heading will be removed and UNTIL THEN try taking Zoloft or something, and stop screaming at me. And if you are so sick of this place because we don't kiss your ass or Aveda's ass, then leave. No one would miss you or even care. Vaguely 06:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. Sounds to me as if you're the one that needs the Zoloft. Please reconsider your attitude and perhaps, have a drink...or two. 69.204.177.104 08:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)Maytrix.