Talk:Austria at the Time of National Socialism

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Contents 1 oops 2 Further additions 3 Category? References? Length? 4 Translation

[edit] oops

I forgot to log in, but the translation was definitely mine... sorry--VeronikaMM (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I’ve added a reference to Keynsian economics. What the British economist Keynes wrote is relevant here.Barbara Shack (talk) 11:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Further additions

I’ve added material from the German Wikipedia article, Juliputsch. The German text refers to that article.Barbara Shack (talk) 13:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Anhaltelager explains imprisonnment without trial.Barbara Shack (talk) 15:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I’ve added a small amount from the German Wikipedia articles, Staatsrat (Österreich) & Juliabkommen. This shows that the Staatsrat was a Legislative Council.Barbara Shack (talk) 10:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

as long as we are translating the article we should stick to the original. Once we are done I think it makes sense adding stuff from other articles, but it makes it very difficult to proofread for those who agree to do the job.--VeronikaMM (talk) 07:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category? References? Length?

I find it somehow hard to understand what this article might have to do with Vergangenheitsbewältigung. Isn't Vergangenheitsbewältigung about Germany and some other countries coming to terms with their Nazi past? I've also taken a look at the German article which seems to be quite long and, correct me if I'm wrong, unfortunately rather unreferenced. I mean there are only like 17 footnotes... How are you translators going to handle this? It could be become a problem leading to someone inserting this: ^{[citation needed]} In the introduction to the article we learn that the Nazi reign reign in Austria lasted from 1938 to spring 1945. Yet the first chapters extensively describe the prewar or rather post-war situation after Austria-Hungary had ended and Austria had become an independent republic in 1918. Again I may be wrong, but shouldn't the article rather focus on its actual topic? My impression is that the article wanders from the subject. Maybe some parts could be included elsewhere. There are the following articles: First Austrian Republic, Austrofascism, Anschluss. I must say I wouldn't like the idea of having the exact same or similar content partially repeated with slight differences in ultimately four articles. This would be sort of ridiculous, especially given the fact that up to now there is not a single article extensively depicting Austrian history after WWII. Sorry for bothering you, maybe you're planning to do the translation first, deciding about how to proceed later on. I just thought it would be fair to voice my concerns in a timely manner so that you may consider them. --Catgut (talk) 20:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

thank you for your concern. I understand what you mean. I do have actually a lot of reference (a lot of it is in German, unfortunately) in book form. The article is not ONLY dealing with Austria being part of the Nazi regime, but the sections that are in the course of being translated, also explain to a certain degree how Austria reacted to National Socialism in Germany and groups evolving in the country. If you have an idea how to explain such things without including all that information into the article I am very willing to cut shorter once we are done with the translation. Most of the points included are rather important to understand how things could take its course...

To the category Vergangenheitsbewältigung: It doesn't only mean to come to terms with the Nazi past, but also to lay open the facts and stop trying to hide things that have happened. To a big part in Austria that also means leaving the victim role behind. I think as an Austrian I can see the problems of that every day, and that's why I decided to start with the translation with this article, because I know of a lot of people with Austrian ancestry living abroad who never really found out about those details, which is one of the main reason, why I think there is a point of having this long article...--VeronikaMM (talk) 11:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

I know this might not be the perfect place to add this, but whoever wants to join in translating this article, I think it only makes sense if one person is working on one section at a time, otherwise it gets really confusing. It is a very long article and there is plenty to be translated, so please always start out with a new (sub-)section once you are done with one, not with one, that someone has already started with. I think it also gives a much better flow in reading a section at a time. I know things are going to edited again and again, but several people working on the same part usually doesn't work out too well... Thanks--VeronikaMM (talk) 22:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)