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Contents 1 Current N.S.W. Premier. 2 Neutral? 3 ACM's position on the head of state 4 Neutrality 5 The Eureka threat

[edit] Current N.S.W. Premier.

The current Premier of New South Wales is Morris Iemma. When did Bob Carr try to remove Marie Bashir from office as Governor of New South Wales? - (Aidan Work 23:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

I believe the article is referring to the removal of the NSW governor from Government House as opposed to removal from office. The governor's official residence is no longer Government House.

[edit] Neutral?

This page reads very much as if it was written by a monarchist... (CGSwans2005)

It is neutral enough for the topics covered, but the topics have avoided a few of the more controversial roles of the ACM. If the ACM's role in the republic referendum were to be covered, for instance, mention should be made of the claims that many of its members were involved in campaigns for a president elected by the people. I don't know enough about this to write anywhere other than a discussion page, but if you do knock yourself out. Conrad Leviston 12:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ACM's position on the head of state

I found this line interesting: "Australians for Constitutional Monarchy (ACM) was founded ... to preserve the role of the Queen of Australia, represented by the Governor-General, as Australia's constitutional head of state."

My understanding was that ACM's position was that the GG IS the head of state, and the Queen is simply the monarch. Confusing as this position is (is it possible to have a monarch distinct from a head of state?) it's an important counter argument to Republican demands for an Australian head of state. Mralph72 04:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I remember during the referendum campaign the ACM trying to pretend that the GG is the head of state. Anyone with any knowledge of the constitution knew otherwise (confirmed at the time by various experts), but in the public mind the message served to further muddy the waters, and contribute to the monarchists' FUD/confusion campaign. Personally I think that tactic was much to their discredit - it shows either a gross ignorance of the constitution from those posing as its defenders, or a duplicitous admission that public sentiment was against having a foreigner as head of state. Conollyb

I have removed the sentences in question, which were POV, not properly cited and detracting from the article. I have also copyedited some of the paragraphs and fixed some disambiguations. This article also needs to differentiate between the groups' point of view versus other points of view, with proper citations of course. --Lholden 02:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

The article says ACM is often derided by opponents as "a well-funded 'old boys club' of establishment reactionaries".

I note the wikipedia article on the Australian Republican Movement does not say that the organisation is often derided by opponents as being elitist.

A lot of people say that about the ARM actually.

124.184.175.153 13:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Its true that the ARM is portrayed as a minority of elitist chardonnay sippers that wants to undermine the heritage of the 'real' Australians, whether they be the active ACM supporters or the so-called ordinary 'battlers'. Its a shame that we can't have a sensible national debate without recourse to stereotypes. The ACM passage is a record of the sad reality, though, rather than a breach of neutrality. Conollyb

[edit] The Eureka threat

The article should discuss the role ACM played in leading the attack against the great Eureka threat of 2004 where old Flint secured a large enough victory to see it off.

124.176.75.249 08:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)