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[edit] Misc
Textbot 07:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC) I see my links to Beer Bottle and beer belly have ben removed, but I can't work out by whom or why. Any special reasons ?
Textbot 07:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Geeze, I gotta say I am opposed to reducing our States to their capitals in the "Glasses Table". As far as I am aware, there are NO differences between City and Bush in each State ! This "metro-centric" tendancy is deplorable ! OTOH, the table looks better now, without the previous fussiness.
Textbot 01:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Am I alone in putting new content at the TOP of this page ( where it's easy to notice !)
Textbot 01:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC) I have to say, I find the "explanatory" additions to the Glass Table clutterring and confusing...
Textbot 01:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC) just a thought...I was in Bali some time back, where beer is readily available, but NOT refrigeration - electricity is expensive ! There are usually no fridges in the village shops, nor in people's homes, suggesting that at least some beer is drunk *warm*. ( I had to try it myself, and I have to say, warm beer is better than no beer !) it set me to thinking, that *coldness* may not be an overwhelmingly necessary characteristic of beer, even in a hot country. Considering that beer is sold in many tropical countries, that only recently have adopted refrigeration, if at all, maybe Aussie beer was *not* always "frigid" in historical times, either. //In addition to taste, I don't think there is any necessary link between refrigeration & shelf life, either, ie I don't think pubs serve beer cold as a matter of hygiene etc.//I don't find these issues adressed in my own rerading on the matter, Can anyone enlighten ?
--Airgead 03:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC) Folks. With the list of stouts and the expanding list of micros I am starting to feel that this page is starting to get a bit cluttered and unfoused. I am thinking of splitting off some of the content onto other pages and leaving this main Australian beer page as a general overview. I am thinking of a page for the micros, another for beer glass sizes in various states and maybe a couple of others. On the main page I would have and expanded history of beer and brewing in Australia, a list of the big breweries (with links to their pages), some general text about the micro/brewpub scene (with maybe some links to the bigger micros) and some general text about the wierd and whacky world of beer glass sizes. I think the split would allow us to expand the aussie beer content without making the main page unwieldy.
Any thoughts/comments before I get stuck in?
Sounds good to me. I would urge tho that we include "space" for mainstream but minority products, rather than reinforce the impression that " Aussie beer is ALL lager" such as one finds on the www etc..--Textbot 07:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. There is a long tradition of things like stout (and who could forget coopers sparkling) so that needs to be kept. I'll do a bit about history, a section on the current mainstream offerings (with links to the major brewery pages), the state loyalties and a section on micros with a link to a separate micro page where we can list the micros (state by state?) and create pages for ther notable ones. I'll leave a brief section on glass sizes and move most of that into a separate page where we can delve into the long and interesting (to us anyway) history of aussie beer glasses. If no one objects I'll have a crack at the new main page early next week.--Airgead 02:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
--Airgead 02:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)Ok Folks I have made a start on the changes. I will do it in sections. First to go up is the early history. let me know what you think.
--Airgead 02:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC) OK, second section done - a cleanup and expansion of the branmds by region section. Any comments, compliments, criticisms welcome.
deleted -- problem solved Textbot 03:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Beer Glass sizes
I notice the table of Beer Glass Sizes is ...[ misinforamtion removed by original contributor, see below ...mea culpa !] --Textbot 07:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- What are your suggested changes? I can help you change the table
Update : geeze, lucky I didn't change the table : on reflection, is see it refers to the PRESENT, as distinct from the Historical PAST to which I referred ....--Textbot 07:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Stouts : I'd love to be able to link the contrib I made on "Stouts" to the main/international Stouts page ( ie internal link) ..anyone who can , please feel free to help me --Textbot 07:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know of the first brewery established in Australia? [1] seems to claim James Squire established the first brewery (this was written by the guy who runs the Malt Shovel Brewery, and may be somewhat biased), but does anyone know for sure?
I am reasonably certain that the Cascade Brewery is oldest brewery that is still operating.
-3mta3 12:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The name Squire is older, but it was a defunct business for a long time before Lion Nathan resurrected it, as to claim the title. Cascade has been continuously operating and deserves the title through genuine age rather than marketing [albeit Squire's genuine quality]
-Ml_grug I beleive also that Squire is an older name but has only recently been used on Beer again. Cascade has operated since it started.
-vagon As part of the guide I feel that something like Lord Nelson's in the rocks should be noted seeing as it is (well claims to be) both the oldest hotel in Sydney and a brewery. The fortune of war claims to be the oldest pub but I'm fairly sure they don't brew.
I remember going to SA and ordering a Pint and thinking how cheap it was till I realised it was really a Schooner. :) -Mike "TinTin"
Airgead 03:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Do we need the advert from Chopper heavy in the main section? Also, do they use schooners in VIC? I always thought the prefered size there was the pint and ordering a schooner would mark you out for ridicule as a new South Welshman.-Leigh
Four years ago, staying at Waurn Ponds, Geelong, VIC for uni. purposes (Deakin) I inadvertently ordered a schooner at the Waurn Ponds Pub and was given a quick education! Last Year at the same place I was surprised to see schooners being served. I ordered one, commented on the changing 'culture' and was informed that they do pints as well now, so I drank pints from then on! An English themed pub has opened in Geelong (the Bended Elbow) and pints are the default there. --MichaelGG 03:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Some places in Vic have been serving schooners, not many. It may have something to do with the Melbourne Beer War
[edit] New beer glass template
I've replaced the old table with Template:Aust Beer Glass. The new table is a combination of the old one & a similar one that had resided on Australian words/Australian English vocabulary/Australian English terms for food and drink. The new table is a little different to the old one but there are reasons for this. Whether these reasons are the right reasons is another question. Please have a look at the new table & correct any errors. Jimp 05:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- Very comprehensive! Up to the early 90s in Queensland 8 oz beers were regularly served in Brisbane but 7 oz in country areas. I lived in Bundaberg then Maryborough and beers were usually ordered as "a seven please" or "three tens and two sevens please (i.e. in a 'shout')". Nowadays they seem to have almost completely disappeared, but I have seen some elderly patrons at our local RSL club being served beer in a 'seven' glass.--MichaelGG 03:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] These beers are gaining market share?
There not only gaining market share, but DECENT market share at that? "Brands such as Chopper Heavy 6%, 3 Ravens, Holgate and Mountain Goat are all gaining decent market share"
Who wrote that? The marketing departments of "Chopper Heavy 6%, 3 Ravens, Holgate and Mountain Goat" I suspect?
Far from gaining decent market share, I'd suspect the vast majority of beer drinkers would never have even heard of them!
I'd say, cite something showing these beers growing "decent" market share, or remove it - it's seemingly just a free plug!
[edit] Too hot for ale brewing?
This is an oversimplification, the problem with temperature is that, unlike more temperate countries such as the UK and Ireland, the climate can vary wildly, for example Melbourne's "4 seasons in one day" and before modern temperature control systems the brewing of ale could be a hit or miss affair, likely to be interrupted by cold snaps as well as heatwaves (areas such as Ballarat or Toowoomba which get very cold and had long established breweries)
Lager brewing is ideally suited to the climate because the temperature control system (i.e. refrigeration)works well in hot weather, and is aided by cool weather - a "win win".
Have amended page slightly --MichaelGG 23:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Specialities & Micros
I think there is a distinction to be made, as these two are NOT identical categories: Speciality is much more than the micros ! I have also re-posted my links to "cosmopolitan"...Feroshki (talk) 07:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cohn Bros
I have read in a couple of places, including a family history "Tablets of Memory", that the Cohn Bros brewery in the Victorian gold fields was the first in Australia to brew lagers - one of the Cohn brothers went to Germany to learn the new technique. This contradicts the statement in the article that Gambrinus brewed the first lagers in Australia. What are the sources for this statement? Dr Tom Conway (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
