Talk:Aubrey de Vere II
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Aubrey II was an active member of the royal administration when he was killed by a London mob in May 1141, so it is very unlikely that he was born before about 1080, after his father Aubrey I had been established on his new English estates in eastern England. DeAragon 10:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no surviving evidence for the name of Aubrey's daughter who married Roger de Ramis. This daughter's existence is only deduced from a reference to her sons as the "true nephews" of Aubrey III de Vere in the charter of Empress Matilda which gave the title of earl to Aubrey. Her name could not have been Adeliza/Alice, for his daughter of that name had two husbands, both known and neither a de Ramis. DeAragon 22:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
