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Contents 1 Saved link 2 Discrepencies 3 Peer review 4 Merge from Empire of Ashanti 5 Pictures and flags 6 The Ga People's are not related to The Ashanti/Akan 7 what happened

[edit] Saved link

Thought this might be useful later in the article: war incantations

[edit] Discrepencies

Hi. I'm responding to the request to edit this page. I'm noticing some discrepencies. I'm going to go ahead and edit with attribution. Feel free to do the same. Regards. Gallador 06:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

A couple of comments:

There is a big problem with the emphasis on the War of the Golden Stool (known in Asante as the Yaa Asantewaa War). A two year conflict gets as much attention as the rest of Asante history! Most of the material seems to have been hived off from an existing article on the War of the Golden Stool.

The section on colonialism is misleading. It implies that the British always intended to conquer Asante but failed to do so throughout the 19th century. British control was limited to very small coastal enclaves until the last quarter of the 19th century. A basic chronology and more neutral point of view would be welcome.

There needs to be a section on the Asante civil war.

Modern Asante nationalism is downplayed - I don't think it's true that Ghanaian nationalism overrides Asante identity, and this certainly needs a reference. A section on the National Liberation Movement (a specifically Asante challenge to pan-Ghanaian nationalism at the time of decolonization) would be useful and illuminating in this respect.

The section on mythology and religion could be expanded, and supplemented with the related topic of state/royal ideology. The key writer on this topic is T. C. McCaskie. I also think that the line "The Ashanti people of Ghana in West Africa are known for their colorful folktales and mythology" is superfluous, a bit patronising, and probably applicable to every people in the world! I've left it in but it doesn't read well.

I don't have time at the moment, but in a few weeks I would be glad to help expand and edit this article. Sunjata 22:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Empire of Ashanti

The new Empire of Ashanti article seems to me to contain information that should be in this article. Comments, anyone? --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 09:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

There is also the Asanteman article. I started that article because at the time there appeared no article dedicated to the pre-colonial state. I suggest that the Empire of Ashanti be merged into the Asanteman article. There might be some debate as to which name to use. Asanteman is the name the native people used meaning "Asante Union". This is english wikipedia so we might just use Asante Empire (as opposed to kingdom since it ruled over many people who were not Asante or even Akan). Irregardless of that, a separate articles must be maintained for the state and another for the people. Scott Free 15:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I see no reason why there shouldn't be an article on the Ashanti. People and empires are two different things as people run empires and empires consist of territory. I'm sure there are those that would like an elaboration on who these people are and were, as well as having an article over viewing the kingdom they controlled. We have an article on the Mandinka, however, I again see no good reason why that article should be merged with the page on the Mali Empire. How are we to receive focused information on the Mandinka from an article focused on an empire controlled by them? This naturally applies to this article, so sensibly it would be more responsible if it were to stay put. Asanteman is another issue.Taharqa 21:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi everyone. I've taken it upon myself to move all relevant info from Asanteman into the Empire of Ashanti page. Asanteman will now redirect to empire of Ashanti. Furthermoe, i have incorporated much of the pertinent info from the Empire of Ashanti page into the Ashanti page. I just added stuff relating to the people and not every detail about the empire. It seems that all concerned parties have agreed to keep the pages "separate but equal" (sorry, couldn't help myself) so i'm removing the discuss tag on the Ashanti page. i already removed it from the empire of ashanti page. HOLLA.Scott Free 02:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures and flags

Does anyone have any pictures of flags or anything for the Empire of Ashanti??? Kwame1234 21:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Ga People's are not related to The Ashanti/Akan

I think the "Ga" people should be removed from the list of "related peoples". The Ga people speak a language completely foreign to the Ashanti and the Akan, and their culture is completely different. They live in a geographically different part of Ghana, and they have different customs and traditions. And present day Ashanti/Akan don't really want to be identified with the Ga, seeing as there groups typically don't get along very well. I think that Ashanti/Akan nationalism/arrogance has been downplayed in this article as well, Ashanti nationalism overrides Ghanaian nationalism. The relationship between the Ashanti/Akan and the ga is similar to that of the the Arabs and the Persians. Iranians and Saudis look similar, but geographically different, different language, different culture. iranians are persians, not arabs. I have left it, but I think it should be removed. Kwame1234 18:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The Ga are not at all an Akan peaople. Cosal 04:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what happened

When I edited this article it was okay, now its trash.There are random bold words, little chronological order, no research, and overall poor quality. Anyone willing to fix it? --129.59.97.197 (talk) 02:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed the bold type Gallador (talk) 13:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)