Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"R&B Deluxe" Mixtape

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The result of the debate was Delete. Deathphoenix ʕ 16:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "R&B Deluxe" Mixtape

This is some unofficial mixtape hosted by an artist who hasn't even released her debut album yet. The mixtape only returns 11 results when searched on Google and is not notable at all. --Musicpvm 19:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep one of a series of releases by LaToya Luckett, formerly of Destiny's Child. B.Wind 20:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. It is not one of a series of releases. This is an unofficial mixtape with only a few hits on Google. Thousands of unofficial R&B/hip-hop mixtapes are constantly released. [1] [2] [3] The list is endless. Should there be articles on all of those? The majority, including this one, are very non-notable. This article is nothing but fancruft. --Musicpvm 20:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If it has a cover, I see no reason why it shouldn't have a page. This is a legitimate mixtape, and it happens to be the only collection of songs yet to be released that are performed by LeToya Luckett. rhythmnation2004 21:15, 01 June 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that a decision may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Ezeu 20:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete oh come on, obviously NN, per nom - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 01:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete. Per original nomination. — Mike •  20:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The real test would be if this was put out / leaked by her or simply a DJ compilation. Some artists such as Jadakiss and Method Man, release music that the label would not permit on a standard album onto a mixtape. Is this a case of that or is this just a DJ compilation and can it be proven the artist released this with permission or at least may have been leaked by them. Ways to determine this would be original track of high studio quality, hints by the artist, promotion of the CD by the artist, references to mixtape only tracks by the artists etc. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 20:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - whilst some notable artist are involved, this album seems to be designed not to be released to the public at large, a common practice as Zer0faults points out. Except in very extreme circumstances, unreleased = nn. Ac@osr 20:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Its actually not a extreme circumstance, I didnt mean it to come out that way. Mixtapes have become a way for artists to connect to their audience through means not permitted by their parent companies and recording labels. For instance rapper Mos Def released a track called bin Laden, kind of accusing the Bush administration of knowing about 9/11 before it happened, this kind of track would never be released on an album as the label would never hear the end of it. Sometimes artists use mixtapes because contract limitations or label supression. In a more relevant example artist Lumidee releases her music soley on mixtape now as she resented her label turning her album into a R&B type album, she is a self proclaimed rapper and her mixtape music focuses more on that since she can do it without label pressure. Its oddly enough becoming quite popular as means of expression without the label getting a say. Method Man released an entire album by this method in order to circumvent a force he felt in his label was destroying his music, removing all songs related to his favorite producer. Kanye West has released tracks on mixtapes before their release to find out how they will be taken by the public. Mixtapes are not as they started as DJ mixes that were unauthorized etc. This album may be as legit as any other album this artist has released, just without the support of her label/recording company. That is why I think more information is needed before classifying this. Sorry for the long statement, I just dont want people not to understand what I was trying to say, this phenomenon is actually very popular. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 00:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete per the insane slav. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

*Keep I am voting keep because this artist meets the requirements of WP:MUSIC. Its also in my opinion a valid release as her debut has not been released yet and I believe this mixtape as extensive as it is, is a means of self promotion for the artist without label giving the green light. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 00:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

• delete I changed my vote after finding out more information and reviewing the track listing, this is a DJ compilation as its not artist specific as I was under the original impression. Mixtapes like Freshmen Adjustment by Kanye West are artist specific so I think they are to be held to a higher degree. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 00:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Per Zero Faults. I think it is rash to judge notability too quickly, especially if one is not necessarily familiar with a specific artist or genre, but a DJ mixtape is clearly not notable. Fearwig 05:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP This mixtape was released in conjunction with Capitol Records and in coordination with LeToya and her management. It was also featured on Letoyaonline.com, rapmullet.com, and others. This mixtape has reached an international level, and has assisted in the promotion of LeToya Luckett. I know this because I was one of the people behind the release of this mixtape. Both this, and Brandi Garcia's release were structured as promotional releases for LeToya Luckett's upcoming debut solo album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.125.69 (talk • contribs)

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