Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vizcaya (Miami)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Villa Vizcaya. There were no further comments after the relisting and although it seems an unlikely search term there is no consensus to delete. Questions about the correct article name and merging can be discussed on the talk page. Yomangani^talk 14:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vizcaya (Miami)

Redundant This is covered at the DAB page for Vizcaya Doc ♬ talk 01:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Villa Vizcaya. --Wafulz 03:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per Wafulz. --Dhartung | Talk 10:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I got an e-mail from the creator (no idea why he sent an e-mail, let alone to me and not the AfD nom):

You have the page about Vizcaya marked for deleteion, and you have no idea about what is happening.

I am attempting to create a page about Vizcaya in Miami.

The user "Deibid" seems to own the references to Vizcaya and he keeps deleting my edits, and seems to think that Vizcaya is ambiguous, when there is no ambiguity at all.

After explaining to him that Vizcaya is the proper name of the museum in Miami, NOT VILLA VIZCAYA AS YOU PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK and explaining to him that Natural Search Results in both Google and Overture result in the majority of searches for Vizcaya in Miami, he seems to think that somehow Vizcaya in Spain has more prominence and has refused to let me build a page for Vizcaya.

Someone a while back built pages regarding "Villa Vizcaya" but this is not the proper or colloquial usage, and he seems to want to include his all important references to Biscay in Spain. Although the root may be traced back to Spain for the name Vizcaya, or that we use the name Biscayne extensively in Miami for parks, streets, and building, seems to mean little to this demigod.

If you reference http://www.vizcayamuseum.org/ , the museum itself does not refer to itself as Villa Vizcaya, rather it refers to it simply as Vizcaya, and I attempted to post pictures of the main gate that shows that since the early 1900's when the museum was built they simply put VIZCAYA on the main entrance. Look at my contribs.

Please advise.

Thanks

MiamiTom --Wafulz 19:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The editor MiamiTom has been all over the place. He has been blanking talk pages, editing and/or removing other editors remarks on talk pages and creating multiple duplicates of existing articles with huge images of his own. He has made as many as 5 reverts to keep his own idea. At present, if he has not once more reverted, the Vizcaya page is a DAB showing the existing articles which existed long before any of his edits. The museum article has always existed at Vizcaya Museum and Gardens. He has tried to recreate the article under the above title as well as several other places. He does not sign his posts and when I have tried to post links and help on his talk page he blanks either the entire page or my remarks. I am at a loss how to help him. Doc ♬ talk 20:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

(I received the same e-mail.) MiamiTom/Miamitom seems sincere, yet unable to grasp that we have processes and why, in particular that Wikipedia articles must have a global viewpoint. I find that Vizcaya (Miami) was a name suggested by an editor of the Biscay article. On his talk page he gives the distinct impression that in his view only Miami search results matter and only Miamians use Wikipedia. (He has even opened a request for assistance.) I think Wikipedia editors were initially patient with him but he is exhausting that patience (even as his patience with Wikipedia editing procedures is exhausted -- if there's any excuse for page-blanking, in this case he seems to be under the impression that Talk pages are some kind of e-mail editor). In the end the question at hand is whether Vizcaya (Miami) needs to exist at all and clearly it does not, since there must not be duplicate articles on the same topic. My vote is unchanged. --Dhartung | Talk 02:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment It seems to me that no one will look for Vizcaya (Miami) but if consensus is to have a redirect, it should either go to the DAB page at Vizcaya which includes all options or to have it become another DAB page with links to both articles Villa Vizcaya the villa and home and the museum which has the exact title as the webpage given above Vizcaya Museum and Gardens Again, it seems to me that no one will search for the above title which is why I nominated it for deletion. Doc ♬ talk 21:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally I question why the Villa and Museum have separate articles at all. If the house had a more extensive treatment that would be one thing. The name Villa Vizcaya refers to the entire estate, and I have been there; they are not separate entities. This should be a next step. --Dhartung | Talk 02:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 20:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.