Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urethral sounding

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Needs more reliable sources (especially on the BDSM aspect), and the sources that are there should be formatted properly, but it does appear verifiable.Cúchullain ^t/c 15:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Urethral sounding

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Unsourced sexcruft, reads as original research. Guy (Help!) 16:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete While I'm sure somebody, somewhere does this and gets their rocks off with it, that doesn't mean it needs an encyclopedia article, and it doesn't appear that there are reliable sources either. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless reliable sources are added by the end of the 5 day debate. Seems like there should be sources for it as a medical procedure at least. Edison 20:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep it's a rather nasty idea to my ears, but it's not at all obscure, it's perfectly easy to find all sorts of pages describing the practice of all different sorts. For one talking about it roughly neutrally and from a good source, go ask alice mentions it: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/3516.html and so does savage love, and if your willing to risk websites much more graphic you shouldn't have any trouble finding all the information and brain scarring pictures you could ever hope for. I'm not too sure why it's being called a medical thing though. Owlofcreamcheese 20:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This is indeed a medical procedure/device; search PubMed for "urethral sound" and "urethral sounding". (My favorite title: "Using stainless steel chopstick for self-performing urethral sounding in preventing recurrence of anterior urethral stricture.") Might be better merged with the one-sentence stub at sound (medical instrument), though. —Celithemis 22:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. It's absolutely a medical procedure, and a well-known one; it was in fact one of the most common operations back in the days before antibiotics. A man with a bladder or venereal infection could develop a stricture from scar tissue, and the only way to open the stricture up (to save the man's life) was with a sound. James Boswell is among the hundreds of notable men who are known to have undergone it. --Charlene 23:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Both a medical procedure, and a noteable kink, both of which are covered in the article. Google nets 581K hits. Both aspects should ideally be expanded and better sourced, however; owlofcreamcheese provided kink sources, and celithemis provided medical sources, so it's not a candidate for deletion IMO. I'd add BMEzine as kind of neither. Zuiram 23:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I've now also added some sources and such, both as a medical procedure and as a kink, as well as adding an internal link for the tools and the kink, which satisfies Edison's "unless" criterion, making that a keep. It took all of 5 minutes with Google. Zuiram 23:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.